Duran Not Hype Witness for Yourself True Greatness

Barkley wasn't a real middleweight champion of the world. It was just a splintered title, and the WBA champ Kalambay had already beaten him easily.

 

Done and done.

 

I'm sure this fight gets posted most weeks.

Still though, this is the best highlight video I've seen for this fight....never get bored of it.

 

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This win is totally over rated. Kalambay,Nunn,Toney,Benn all beat Barkley in these years. As others have said, why make more out of this win. Roberto's fans are overrating a win for Duran. I try to avoid the Duran threads now since it gets no where arguing any points.
Duran can have a million fans on ESB, but the facts are that he lacks many great wins. Then Thomas Hearns beats Virgil Hill in 1991 when Virgil is 30 pounds above his first title winning weight and Virgil has 10 defenses and no losses and that win is not mentioned. I knew when the Duran/Barkley fight was signed that Roberto was going to win the title. Just when it was signed. It was easy to see. Barkley was not a huge huge puncher, he was a good puncher and he fought inside fights because he was a brawler. He was made for Duran. Roberto's fans want to mention his wins over Davey Moore and Iran Barkley as though he did something great so he gets credit in the ATG ranking for that, then when he lost to Hearns and Benitez and Leonard and Hagler he has excuses. You cannot have it both ways. No other fighter gets considerations like that. Certainly Thomas Hearns beating Virgil Hill was much more significant, except in the land Duran fans.
In the land of Duran fans he loses to all the greats and makes excuses and his fans accept them as legit reasons for losing, and then beat mediocre guys and make those two guys out to be ATG fighters-which Moore and Barkley were not.

 

Or..as it has been explained to you 100 times, Duran well past his best weight and peak age was much better then Moore and Barkley, but not as good as primed age and weight Hagler,Bentiez, and Hearns.

Don't know if another lightweight in history could do what Duran did. I know hearns in his prime at his best weights got kod by Leonard and destroed by Hagler. I know Bentiez at his best weight and a young age got beat by Hearns, Leonard, and got knocked out by Moore. You are the one that always wants things both ways.

 

you can explain it 200 times to me I still will not be convinced. If he was older when he fought the greats he should not get credit since beating Barkley or Moore is completely taken away by losing to the greats. I do not see how beating Moore or Barkley would get him ranked any higher in the ATG ranking than he already would be for his lightweight reign.
Yeah but Hearns who started at welterweight and won his first title there in 1980, beat Virgil Hill 11 years later 30 pounds above his first weight, and beat an undefeated fighter with 10 title defenses. That win is better than Duran's win against Barkley, which was 25 pounds above the lightweight limit.
If you want to mention Hearns then I think Hearns beat more greats than Duran. Cuevas,Benitez,Duran, and Hill, if Hill goes down as great which I think he should for 25 title defenses. Duran and Hill are cases where one if over rated a bit for his machismo, and Hill is under rated because he fought a boring style. All those guys he beat who were great were champions when he fought them. That is significant. Duran didn't have his WBA 154 pound title just because he was stripped of the title for not fighting McCallum.

 

I am not sure the Moore fight was really a fight you can rate Benitez. He moved up and did badly at middleweight and then moved back down. He did not win another title after Moore. But Duran won another title after Hearns-5 years later, so that right there should legitimize Hearns win in 1984. Unless the rules are different for Duran than any other fighterr, which they should not be. They should all have the same standards.

 

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These arguments are getting so boring atsch

Just agree to disagree and get on with it

 

Yer wasting yer time with MAG, he'll always twist everything around to his own Leonard agenda, he dreams 24/7 of filling up these pages with his I'am right! I'am right! so it has to be right if i think it's right & the earth is flat because my front lawn is flat CRAP

He reckens Leonard was a "green champ" when he fought in montreal:rofl

His dad was a duran fan ask him!! he told me a while back!! nuf said:hey

 

It's getting worse here now with these star struck sugarbabies, 95% of them i've come accross over the years actually are not main stream fight fans, there yer celeb chaser, who's the sporting icon of the moment ect, in the UK i'd compare them to Man U fans who come from down my way (Mockney Accent for effect) who would sit in the wine bar with a beckem shirt which i'd use as an ashtray when occasion offered

 

Lets agree to disagree. I will admit the possibilty that Duran is an irresistable sex God who has valid excusable excuses for all of his losses and the names Davey Moore and Iran Barkley mean something...if you will admit the possibilty that events in which Duran was KTFO by Hearns, quit in a discraceful cowardly fashion against Leonard, was outclassed by Hagler and Benitez and lost to over a dozen other bums, actually might have occurred

 

MAG has to be alias.No one could be so blissfully ignorant.