Who has beaten more great fighters? Manny Pacquiao or Roberto Duran?

anny beat better fighters, like cotto, ODLH, and morales. duran beat Leonard but didn't really beat better fighters then PAC

 

Ray Leonard is miles better than anyone Pacquiao defeated, that much is non-debatable.

I also consider Roberto Duran's win over Iran Barkley better than anything on Manny's resume given the circumstances. You'll understand what those circumstances were if and when Manny tries to fight a world champion at Middleweight near his 38th Birthday.

Myself and Freddie Roach both consider De La Hoya a non-entity on fight night, having drained himself to get down to a weight he had no business fighting at. He was also past his prime, and retired soon after losing.

I consider Erik Morales past prime by 2004, and even more shop worn after fighting Barrera and Pacquiao back to back. A very good win, but nothing career defining.

Juan Manuel Marquez was not and is not an ATG.

 

Impressive list. Hard to argue against it.

 

Your last statement is insane!

 

Do you have any clue who erik morales and marco antonio barrera are?

 

If Duran can get his balls licked for the rest of his life because of his SINGLE victory over an ATG, then Pac should be getting credit for his minimum of FOUR victories over ATG fighters. ATG, not HOF. Not 'good for their time'. Not 'would be competitive even today'. ATG!!!

You want to call Buchanan and Cuevas ATG fighters? **** hahahahaha... Cotto would beat the dog**** out of either of those guys. Palomino's best performance ever is a near loss to Benitez. That makes him an ATG? Are you ****ing kidding me? Duran is the most overrated fighter in history. Trying to say that his resume equals Pac's is ******ed. On the face of it, it's ******ed, it's sooooo completely far from any objective standard of reality that anyone who even TRIES to say it should be hiding their face in shame. You KNOW it's not true, yet here you are trying to make an idiotic statement seem reasonable and accurate. Good luck with that.

 

Cotto would get pancaked vs. Pipino. Cotto leans in with his head down and his hands at the side of his face, wide open for **** right up the middle or underneath. Cuevas was one of the biggest hitters ever at ww. Right, but Cotto's gonna beat the dog**** out of him atsch When the guy struggled to beat Torres, was hurt by Corley, decked by single shots vs Pac (who, while a better fighter than Cuevas, doesn't hit as hard), was rocked multiple times vs. Judah, and was hit often against the slow as molasses Margo. But yeah, that all equates to Cotto beating the hell out of him. Makes sense

Buchanan was a lightweight. And a better fighter than Miguel. If you watched his fights instead of going by the "he was dominated by Duran, he's no great fighter" you'd realize this. Better 'D' than Miguel, better right hand, better jab, distance control, durability, more skilled.

You're delusional man. Face it. Addie isn't even a Duran nuthugger or anything of the sort and he's calling you out on your bull****. WhataRock is one of the most respected posters on here and he's called you out. Lots of guys have.

You've posted **** basically saying "so-what" over the Barkley win. 17 years out from winning his 1st title at a weight 25 pounds lighter against a guy who'd just KO'd Hearns and Olajide. But a former LW beats him and knocks him down. Pretty impressive. And also highly impressive that Duran even won some rnds off of Hagler. Against a former LW champ hanging in there with one of the best MW's of all time. But then you pull the "Hagler is overrated" card. How convenient. yet if JCC had similar accomplishments at weights far past his best one(s), you'd be creaming your pants.

But you're not alone in your opinion on the subject though. The Pacland *******s share the same sentiments as you :thumbsup

 

And cut it the **** out with the 4 victories over all time greats bull****. Marquez is a great fighter, no all timer. De La Hoya was ****ing dead at the weight, and Morales NEVER HAD ANOTHER WIN AGAIN. Wins over prime versions of Buchanan, De Jesus, Barkley, and a young Marcel, etc. are better. It appears you go by name value and don't judge wins based off of THE ABILITIES OF THE FIGHTERS AT THE TIME THEY FOUGHT.

 

Polls that aren't Public are pointless. Yawn.

 

They were not as great as Hearns.

 

That is your opinion.

 

What makes them greater?

 

Funny.

 

i have to agree that Morales and Barrera were not as great as Hearns. Tommy went 30 pounds above his starting title weight and beat an undefeated champ with 10 title defenses. I still say that is better than anything Pacman has done since moving up to welterweight. Morales or Barrera doing that would be very difficult to see. Barrera and Morales don't have the career of Thomas Hearns. They are great but not close to that career or knockouts and wins over greats to win his titles. Tommy was unique. Tommy had great wins, but the problem with Tommy is that he had two losses against greats which people do not seem to forget. If you look at Tommy's wins it is hard to top them.

 

You know ****-all about Cuevas. He lost to 7 or 8 mediocre guys before Duran, lost 2 of his last 4 fights directly before Duran, and lost more than half his fights after Duran. He sucked and he would get pancaked today.

You talk all this **** about Duran going up in weight... first off, he RARELY made the LW limit during his long reign. You give Pacquiao **** about moving up in weight and worship Duran for it, when Duran started off bigger and didn't even have to make weight for most of his fights.

Buchanan just isn't that special. Sorry. JMM would rip him to pieces, a very routine fight. Re Hagler, you are correct. He's overrated. That version of SRL wouldn't even trouble Hopkins, let alone RJJ or James Toney. Hagler, Duran and Pryor are the most overrated boxers that have ever been in the game, and Duran and Hagler team up since they fought to form a whirling vortex of overrated-ness.