Smitty Son's Top 20 All Time Fighters List *Forgive the Length*

If you are right on these calls then George Dixon and Panama Al Brown would both have a good case.

 

if pac retires now, it is unfair to rank armstrong 20 spots higher than pacquiao.

Armstrong was beaten by ambers a year after his peak. Pac was the only flyweight champion to be world rated past 126 pounds

 

Yeah lets just forget everything else Armstrong did and bring up his loss to Ambers.


Ignorance at its best.

 

Asero...you exhaust people who want to tell you all the reasons you're backwards.

 

hagler never had a clear lost in his prime. Not sure with those two

 

Why?

Is it because he won more Lightweight Titles?
Is it because he reigned longer as a middleweight?
Is it because he reigned longer as a Light-heavyweight?
Is it because he reigned longer and beat more top heavyweight contenders?
Is it because he was considered the undisputed pound for pound king for longer?
Is it because he scored more KOs as a champion?
Is is because he gave up more weight to his opponents?
Is it because he went longer without losing a fight?
Is it because he was not knocked out as many times?
Is it because he fought more fights and had more wins?
Is it because he was naturally smaller than Ruby Rob?

Because if it is any of those, i think you might have got a bit mixed up. So, What factor is it that suggests that Ezzard should be put above Ruby Rob?

 

put the two of them in the ring at whatever weight you want.charles wins

 

Lightweight?

 

lightweight ????????

 

Well Fitz was the New Zealand Lightweight title, at a time when this was probably as strong a title as existed. And he won the New Zealand middleweight title just a few months later (presumably he was still at or near the lightweight limit). He was younger at this time, but i cant imagine another lightweight of the time beating him. All of his known lightweight fights ended by KO.

So, you dont think Ezzard is going to survive against Bob at lightweight? I am guessing then that Welterweight is out?

You want to go for Middleweight. Charles fought 4 middleweight opponents including Kid Tunero, who beat him!. Hardly confidence inspiring

What about Supermiddleweight (the highest Fitz ever weighed). Charles was down against Overlin, Bivins (7 times), Marshall (8 times) and apparently nearly knocked out by Basora. Fitz knocked out every middleweight opponent he faced, not to mention all the top heavyweights and lightheavyweights in the world that were around. Are you really going to back someone who has been knocked down so often by the middleweights he faced against the biggest hitting middleweight in history?

 

Where`s Erik Morales at ? :huh

Nah... very good attempt :good

 

yes i'd back charles against fitzsimmons and jeffries too.

 

Poor Joe Louis and Jack Dempsey...Joe Louis #17...How fans soon forget how destructive he was in his UNBEATABLE prime...Love Ezzard Charles, but Louis would have beaten Charles certainly in their primes for sure..All the great boxing writers of the 1940s would have made Louis 3/1favorite over Charles, both in their primes...As for Dempsey,modern fans have the image of the past prime Dempsey of Tunney days only....Conveniently overlooking the prime pre films man killer of Willard and before..Shame...Evidently,all Dempsey's victims suffered heart attacks, instead of fistic attacks, when they were ko'd quickly at Dempsey,s peak...One more oversight...The great "Barbados dEMON," Joe Walcott, should have been included over many others,so great he was against much,much larger opponents,sadly forgotten today...Otherwise a fine difficult list by Smitty....

 

I agree with you.

Joe Louis gets a bad rap on these lists. He's very underrated, because his opposition is very underrated. He had the best reign of any champion at any weight, in my opinion. He took on all-comers, gave out rematches, and knocked almost everyone out.

Dempsey was considered one of the greatest by everyone up until the last 20 or 30 years, and now he's criminally underrated. Admittedly, he was relatively inactive in his championship prime, but so was Ray Leonard who seemed to be retired every few months, and absent for years on end. I think Dempsey was greater than Ray Leonard.

 

Would you back Kid Tunero also?