Manny Stewart says Pacquiao a top 10 ATG.

Full of Seaman.

 

Manny Steward went as far as saying Pac is up there with the Ali and Robnson.

As far as rankiing, what is the criteria for ATG rankings? Career accomplishments would be the way to measure because obviously, it would be impossible to gauge how good different boxers were from different eras in head to head competition.

Hank Armstrong was ranked #2 (Ring Magazine 80 best) for what he did: climb weight divisions and winning titles along the way- 3 titles he won from the 8 original weight classes. Manny Pacquiao has won 7 titles in 7 weight divisions, 4 titles from the original 8 weight divisions. BWAA and Ring Magazine's fighter of the decade for 2000-2009.

Now how exactly do you put Armstrong at #2, then ignore what Pacquiao has done, and put him outside the top 20 behind Julio Cesar Chavez and Alexis Arguello?

 

I can't put him top 25 yet, a few more big names an he might break top 25.

I use McLarnin as a gauge, most respected scribes have him somewhere between 18-25, now does Pacquiao deserve to be ranked higher than McLarnin? Not in my book!

Peoples opinions will differ but i put high emphasis on the level of opposition beat. Both fighers started at Flyweight an won belts at Welterweight. McLarnin fought in a time when belts meant something an where rather hard to come by as well as fighting at a time when there was less weight classes. Now Pacquiao has took belts of David Daiz at Lightweight, Cotto at a catchweight, controversially of Marquez at Superfeather.

Now if we look at the level of opposition beat, Pacquiao has beat maybe 6 guys nailed on for the HoF. Barrera, Morales, Marquaz, Hatton, Oscar & Cotto. Compared to Mclarnin who has beat 12 HoF's, Villa, Labarba, Ambers, Canzoneri, Ross, Kaplan, Leonard, Bud Taylor, J. Fields, Young Corbett 3, Petrolle & Mandell and maybe others that could be inducted.

Take nothing away from Pacquiao's achievements an he still has time to catch up, but i can't rank him higher than Mclarnin atm so therefor doesn't break top 25 for me.

 

That's not what I meant, I just mean, hey, look we're on the same page. And I left a digital trail that proves it. That's all I meant. No implication of theft or copyright infringement or plagiarism or anything, man.

 

Well, If I had an ATG list it wouldn't factor H2H. I'd have an entirely different P4P H2H type list for that.

Accomplishments, record, achievements, era, are the main ones.

I honestly think the Ring Magazine last 80 years sucks. They have Dempsey way too high, and have Marciano ahead of Ezzard Charles. Marciano is my favorite fighter but I don't think he should be in anyone's top 15, let alone ahead of Charles.

Because Armstrong has a much more stacked resume, with much more domination within those classes rather than Pac furiously weight-jumping. I mean, their record and the number of fights speak for themselves. Pac just can't be a top 10-15 fighter without Floyd and probably Mosley too. Maybe it's bias to old time fighters because times have changed. That's a whole other argument I guess.

Pac does well in the achievement category but his record and opposition don't put him on a Greb, SRR, Armstrong type level. Oscar won 6 world titles, but he's probably not in my top 50. Just to put perspective on the issue.

Arguello is outside my top 20 I'd say by a bit. Same with JCC. Pac could be argued as being ahead of them. I just don't think he breaks the top 20, I feel top 20-30 is a fair range.

 

But it was! I'm a dishonest and immoral man!

 

You're right. I'm lawyering up immediately.

 

Steward is an old mug. When he said Prince Hamed was the best featherweight of all-time I stop listening to the c***.
He would sell his soul for a few pence.

 

i don't hink he would need to clear out jww, and even if he did it wouldn't put him any higher, he would be expected to beat those guys without much problem.

 

Not walk away from the best fighter he would ever have faced & biggest & richest fight of his own era would be a fkn start :rofl

 

in the last 20 years pac is the greatest but atg i still say around 20-25. if he wasnt to really have a shot at the top 10 and who knows possibly top 5


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proves my point.

 

Pac will fight him, don't worry. But Floyd has to beat Shane first.

 

Please... put down the brown & hand over the tinfoil pal, Chavez & Whitaker were greater... Jones jr & Mayweather can be argued to be greater (they are certainly BETTER boxers) & Mayweather will leapfrog Pac as soon as Pac finds his balls & accepts the h2h challenge.

 

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