The problem with the DQ

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Jack, Mar 28, 2010.


  1. Jack

    Jack Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I don't think the punch was too bad. He was down, yeah, but it happens a lot in boxing. Usually the fight goes on with a deduction yet this was different. Why?

    Because Dirrell got "knocked out". Is that fair? The fact is, if that punch lands and Dirrell gets up within 5 seconds, the fight gets restarted. Abraham, at most, may have had a point took but the only reason it ended in a DQ is because of the aftermath of the punch, which is wrong. Punish the punch uniformly.

    It's similar to football. Look at many serious injuries and there is usually a straight red card, like Shawcross/Ramsey, but if the injury hadn't happened and it was just a foul, there would be no red card. Even if the exact same tackle happened without the bone breaking, it would very rarely warrant a sending off.

    The question then becomes, what would the fair response to the punch have been? Punching an opponent when he's down shouldn't be an automatic DQ. However, what is then the fair action if the man who got hit can't or won't get back up?
     
  2. Jack

    Jack Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Another point is that if Abraham had won every round, knocked Dirrell down twice in the 11th and then hit him after a slip, a DQ would never, in a million years, have occurred after the Soto/Lorenzo/Cortez incident.

    This is the problem with the rules. They need to be strict regardless of the context of the fight.
     
  3. ollyc

    ollyc Well-Known Member Full Member

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    WRONG.
    Even if Abraham had won every round as in your hypothesis, he still would've been disqualified, and rightfully so.
    The rules are clear. If a downed opponent receives a blow whilst he is on the canvas, but regardless is able to continue, the offending boxer is deducted a point, and his opponent is given tiume to recover (if he so requires).
    However, if the downed opponent receives a blow and is unable to continue, then the offending boxer is disqualified.
    The rules are clear, and just.
     
  4. Prescott_Fan

    Prescott_Fan Well-Known Member Full Member

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    He has to be DQ'd, the fight couldn't continue as a result of a foul by Abraham, there's no other possible outcome. Are you really saying it would be fair to make Dirrell continue and just take a point off Abraham? Dirrell, even with 5 minutes recovery time, would have been knocked out as a direct result of the foul. That wouldn't be fair.
     
  5. Jack

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    It just wouldn't have happened that way. Had Abraham won every round like I said, it would have been a bigger robbery than Soto/Lorenzo but on a bigger stage. That result was so poor, the WBC didn't accept it after the fight.

    This is the problem with the rules. They are based on circumstances by the referees and that's when it becomes unfair and you get inconsistencies.
     
  6. MichiganWarrior

    MichiganWarrior Still Slick! Still Black! Full Member

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    :lol: I swear to god, you and 46-0 have to be the biggest dumbasses on this forum


    Dirrells slips because Abrahams corner cant clean up their ****ing water, Abraham punches him while he is helpless, Dirrells is knocked out or at the very very list severly stunned and its not a DQ.

    You're a ****ing joke.
     
  7. Jack

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    Then think back to the reaction to Soto/Lorenzo. It essentially ended Joe Cortez's career as a top referee and the WBC didn't accept the result.

    On the other hand, would it be fair if Abraham dominated the fight and then hit Dirrell when he was down, in the heat of the moment, and was disqualified? Would that be fair?

    I don't think boxing fans would accept it.
     
  8. Prescott_Fan

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    They'd have no choice, rules are rules. The Soto/Lorenzo situation was very different to this one too, so it's a poor comparison.
     
  9. Big Left

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    Blantant DQ and it puts big questions on AA - he was getting through and may have found a way to KO Dirrell but he clearly did not believe in himself.

    Dirrell was everything he should have been against Froch - he did not take a backwards step until round 7 when he though he had enough points to win. AA should have had the KD before and Dirrell was looking very tired but I think he would have held on for the last round and a half if AA did not take that cheap shot.

    Great performance from Dirrell - his next fight could be a classic with Ward - AA v Froch is gonna be interesting and I think Froch (the most unpopular fighter in the Super 6) is actually gonna be loved for one night.
     
  10. itrymariti

    itrymariti CaƱas! Full Member

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    You're right that the intended consequences of an action are generally what we judge, and so it might seem that the circumstances of the bout are irrelevant.

    But if the fight were turned into a NC, you'd have even deeper problems. You could have fighters fouling each-other when they were behind just to avoid a loss. Regardless of AA's intentions, and regardless of any suspicions about Dirrell's reaction, that was a legit DQ - especially when you consider who was winning the fight.
     
  11. Jack

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    It was fundementally the same, which is all that matters.

    Tell me though, if you think it was significantly different, in which ways?
     
  12. ripcity

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    The problem with the punch is that Abraham steped into the punch. Thus making it a harder punch than if he had not done so.
     
  13. Jack

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    These are the problems I think need adressing because, as they are, the rules are unfair.

    What has happened before or after the illegal action is simply irrelavant. It doesn't matter whether a boxer has won or lost every round, the illegal action should be judged the same, yet it isn't.
     
  14. ollyc

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    It wouldn't have been a robbery though. It doesn't matter if an individual is winning a fight comfortably - it doesn't give him the right to do as he pleases. Duran was comfortably ahead on the scorecards against Buchanan, but he still should've been disqualified.
    And as regards to the rules being dependant on the interpretation of the individual referee - well that's all sports at all times. Rules can't implement themselves.
    Of course you're going to get inconsistencies; doens't mean the rules aren't correct.
     
  15. Jack

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    Do you actually agree with the Soto/Lorenzo stoppage?