Is anyone else getting tired of the revisionist?

You made some good points, i consider myself knowledgeable on the old time fighters. When i read the title on threads comparing old timers with modern fighters i already know what most of the posters are gonna say. He i respect these old timers but im a realist,and there are some modern greats that would have beat some old time greats.
However i disagree with your opinion on Quarry he was a good puncher and had decent speed as well as being tough. I wouldnt pick him over a lot of the big heavyweights in recent years but i still think hed beat a lot of contenders, and would dominate the cruisers today. I know alot about the Old timers but i usually stick to the fighters i watched and lived thru their eras late 70s to current fighters.
I agree with your opinion on Tommy Morrison he has become overrated here on ESB, i even think a guy like Arreola would clean his clock.:yep overall a good post someone who isnt afraid to go against the grain. Some around here like to stick with the popular opinion.

 

What is wrong with revision anyway?

 

Boxing gradually improved in terms of skills and athletic performance, thats something this forum is in denial about. There has been a drop off since the 80s as there are less boxing clubs and less youngsters get to watch boxing

It doesnt seem to matter if an old timer feasted on past/pre prime opponents but if a modern fighter beats a 28yo ATG, it doesnt count as a win

Then theres the rule 'if a fighter I like loses hes definately past prime or 'insert other excuse''

And lets not forget the last rule of the classic forum, quantity is far more important than quality

 

That's a bad post by your standards to be honest.

I agree that it's really difficult to determine exactly how good the likes of Greb, Wills and Langford were without extensive film on them, but we have people like klompton & Slakka on the forum who have enough knowledge about Greb to write a book about him. This is the history section after all and it's partly our job to make sure that great fighters like Greb aren't forgotten about only because film doesn't exist. He fought the likes of Tunney, Walker, Loughran, the Gibbons brothers so how could we ignore him? It'd be like pretending that the elephant in the living room did not exist.

As for Quarry, I haven't really seen anything about him being a great fighter, in fact recently a thread about a match-up between Quarry and Hearns was pretty much 50-50, which is astonishing.

Quarry had more than just heart and a good chin, he was a very good counter puncher who had boxed since he was only a small child. This experience showed in his fights against bigger, stronger opponents like Lyle and Shavers whom he took apart in brilliant fashion.

 

I'm tired of everybody saying Quarry sucked because all they ever see of Jerry is his rematch with Ali on ESPN, or the losses to Norton and Frazier. Jerry's reputation is now getting restored by more than just Foreman's say-so praise, because several of his great wins, over the likes of Spencer, Foster, Lyle, Shavers, Alexander and Bodell, are now available for everybody to see on services like youtube. (Ditto Carnera.)

The scribes no longer have final say, not with all the classic and rare footage coming to light. Hence all the revision, inevitable now that we can see and judge for ourselves.

 

Me and Fleamn spoke about this afew weeks ago, if you are putting in research and have evidence to back up what you are saying why are you not as good of a source as a newspaper article of the fight?

I like the revision on this forum, constantly challenging the status quo in boxing history. Just look at Stonehands 'Gods Of War'. An established historian thought it was near blasphemy, but we know they were excellant.

 

Excellent response McGrain.

Who does this tit think he is, opening a thread up on a Classic Forum criticizing its members for their love of olden day fighters? That's kind of the whole point of the Classic Forum.

And the comments about Jerry Quarry... ... ****ing abysmal.

 

If it wasnt for revision, I dont think the Murderer's Row would have been fully appreciated.