The problem with the DQ

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Jack, Mar 28, 2010.


  1. ollyc

    ollyc Well-Known Member Full Member

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    How can you be so certain?
     
  2. Prescott_Fan

    Prescott_Fan Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Yes, he would. If you hit an opponent when he is down and he can't continue then you get DQ'd, regardless of how the fight has been scored to that point.
     
  3. Jack

    Jack Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Because it's happened many, many times in history and there's not been a DQ. I watched a bunch of Foreman fights yesterday and saw it a couple of times. It just happens in boxing and it's rare that there is any punishment. If there is, it's a point or so. It's incredibly rare to see a disqualification and when it does happen, there is usually an uproar, like Soto/Lorenzo.

    The difference being that Abraham was so far down on points a DQ didn't really matter, which is a shame. The rules should be the same regardless of what has happened before or after the punch.
     
  4. Jack

    Jack Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    It could have been a no contest or, more rationally, gone to points. It's not always a DQ and it shouldn't be either.
     
  5. joe the great

    joe the great Boxing Addict Full Member

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    If Abraham would've been in control of himself we could've seen how it was played out. Whether Dirrell could've lasted another round and a half or not. I think it is quite possible he would've been knocked down one more time and we could've seen a draw or a split decision.
     
  6. hitman_hatton1

    hitman_hatton1 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    yeah.

    abraham messed up.

    no way am i saying it was unfair.

    despite the fact i thought it could have been pts off.

    it's the ref's call.

    not criticising it.

    abraham needs to learn the lesson. :roll:
     
  7. jasbar

    jasbar Member Full Member

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    The DQ was unfair. The ref didn't say stop that's why Abraham continued punching. It was the ref's fault not Abraham.
     
  8. Prescott_Fan

    Prescott_Fan Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Please can you list some fights where a fighter has clearly hit a fighter when he is down, and the punch that has hit him when he has down has caused him to be unable to continue fighting and the result has been anything other than a DQ?
     
  9. Jack

    Jack Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    A couple of examples were listed after the Soto/Lorenzo fiasco, so I'll have a look for those. I guess Tua/Cameron would be a good example of the punishment just being a telling off and not even a point deducted.

    It's a pretty rare occurance though. It's usually just ignored and given as a knockdown/knockout. There are very few examples of DQ's because of a fight going in this direction anyway. It's usually, and rightly so, just put down to fighters getting overexcited.
     
  10. Prescott_Fan

    Prescott_Fan Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I disagree. It may be that when a fighter is going down from a punch that you get another shot landed whilst the guy is on the way down or has actually technically gone down, but usually it's borderline when the punch actually landed and as such the fighter scoring the KD is given the benefit of the doubt. That's very different to this case where the fighter was down as the result of a slip and a clean punch was thrown and landed that knocked him out. The two just aren't the same.
     
  11. laffie

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    It was not in the heat of the moment. There was the heat of the moment, then Abraham made a pause, knew Dirrel was down and then hit him.
    The foul was fully intentional. Abraham was the ******* yesterday. Stop trying to defend him, you become yourself a *******.
     
  12. Uncle Oden

    Uncle Oden Respect Guzman banned

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    Anyone attempting to have intelligent conversation with Jack is wasting their time.
     
  13. Jack

    Jack Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Why do you follow me around all the time? It's odd. I know you're a patriotic American who can't handle the truth, but you take it a little far, mate :lol:
     
  14. WeezyF27

    WeezyF27 Active Member Full Member

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    Thats the dumbest ****in comment I have ever seen.

    If a boxer knows he is winning the fight, what is to stop him from taking an intentional foul and rendering his opponent unable to continue. Thus ending the fight early. Knowing the fight will go to the scorecards and he will get the win.

    or on the other hand..

    If a boxer is losing the fight, what is to stop him from taking an intentional foul and rendeering his opponent unable to continue. Knowing the fight will be ruled a no conest and he won't take a loss?

    Abhram took a cheap shot because he was losing the fight.. and Dirrell frustrated him all night. Plain and simple.. you look dumb trying to defend this in anyway shape or form.
     
  15. RossTheBoss

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    wow, you are completely nuts. Abraham tried to KO a defenseless Dirrell. Dirrell took a flush right hook to the head while he was down and Arthur Abraham is certainly not feather fisted.

    What the hell is up with some of you guys? :-(