Is anyone else getting tired of the revisionist?

Quarry was a fighter from a tough era of Heavyweight boxing and he did well to beat some very big heavyweight punchers in a dominant fashion, such as Earnie Shavers,Ron Lyle, Mac Foster,Thad Spencer, Floyd Patterson,Middleton, etc. I dont see anyone putting Quarry on a higher position but they use a lot of top contenders of eras to see how they would do in others.

comparing, opinions, experience and knowledge is a way people learn more about there interests and I think some of us are strong in our opinions but always open minded

 

Exactly, surprised at that though Bob Mee is usually a good boxing guy, although his speciality is Heavyweights.

 

It depends what you mean by skill, physical ability speed/reactions/athleticism allows more skills to be evident, although they arent necessarily innovations. Still at no time in history their hasnt been anyone with the overall offensive/defensive skill of a Roy Jones, but you can argue thats because of his physical gifts. In terms of combination throwing, aproach footwork, movement, head movement he has no equal.

Yes he cant compete as a old man but all boxers are a combination of physical gifts and skill though and many styles age quicker. Pep/Leonard/Charles/Whitaker all fell off at a younger age than Jones without catching the same flack.

In some ways fighters are ahead of their time, ie Tunney, but Tunney doesnt rate up their with the best of all time skillset wise

Jones is the greatest P4P of all time :yep

 

People will laugh at my post, then with straight faces rate this guy,

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ahead of this 1

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Not sure why more dont rate Tunney over Greb

 

In terms of what? There are so many aspects of boxing to pinpoint 1 era, boxing is evolutionary rather than revoluntary, and there are so many styles and individuals that make

For instance generally the 40s/murderers row era-Robinson/Pep era saw innovations and obvious technical improvements over the likes of Gans/Johnson/Langford era or the Tunney/Dempsey/Walker/Loughran era.

In many ways the 40s was the golden era and the likes of Toney/Hopkins study their techniques, however that doesnt mean Toney/Hops are inferior versions of these men as some say. In other ways these men have been surpassed, ie Robinson was the greatest combination thrower of all time in the 40s, now hes been surpassed

Having said all that since the 80s and early 90s skills overall have seriously diminshed. There were allot of slick fighters in those days

 

I've watched 3 fights in the last 48 hours: Ross - McLarnin, Harold Johnson - Ezzard Charles, and Dirrell - Abraham. Admittedly it's a small sampling, but to believe that todays fighter are somehow superior to those of the past is delusional. Abraham was exposed for the limited fighter that he is. Dirrell has some tremendous physical tools but obviously is a little shy towards the pressure and for the second fight in a row flopped around when under pressure. Physically gifted, technically lacking. I attribute this to a lack of experience and a lack of high quality trainers.
I personally refrain from head to head analysis of Harry Greb, so I'll grant that point, but his record is unmistakeably awesome.

 

Not fair, Jones was in his prime vs a past it Greb sparing with a 50 plus O Brein. Greb was all ready on the slide than, and that he didnt want to hurt the long retire fighter.

That would be like Wlad sparing with Joe Fraizer, and not going all out to ko Fraizer.

It was fun and games.

 

Hardly fair comparison as Dirrell and Abraham arent nearly the best of this era, Ross/Charles/Johnson/McLarnin. If you want a direct comparison, compare Ross to Mayweather, who is far better than Ross

In terms of an outside boxing game Dirrell is largely excellent, hes technically excellent on the outside, his inside game is horrible though, partly due to being physically weak and caution. Ross hardly had a great inside game himself though

 

Yes Greb was desperate for big money fights so the 1 time he gets on camera he purposely downplays his skills are acts the fool, makes sense. Maybe he was just upright like that and liked to parry and flurry allot

Greb displaying the greatest boxing skills of all time

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Quality>Quantity. Hopkins/Toney/McCallum look better on film than anyone Greb beat. And yes McCallum was past prime, just like Tunney/Louhgran/Walker were pre prime

 

It's not the only time he was on camera, it's just that this is the only film that hasn't been lost. I've read that Greb vs Flowers, Walker & Tunney were supposedly filmed. Watch Tunney sparring with old timer Gentleman Jim Corbett, would anyone rate him if this was the only film that existed of him?