It'd stop people sitting up for '5 seconds' and then deciding to take a lie down to get the other guy dq'd. I'm not saying it is a viable option, but the current system is flawed and the punishment too great.
There is absolutely no way Abraham would get DQed in Germany and if it was the other way around, there would have been a different outcome. I also think if Abraham was winning, or even if the knockdown had been correctly called, it wouldn't have ended in a DQ. This is why it's wrong. A quick disqualification is an unjust way to decide the winner of a fight in such dubious circumstances.
I think the referees, the judges, ring physicians or any fight officials should each take perhaps a college course to know the real KD/KO or just an acting job. The problem with this Dirrel incident is that IMO the physicians joined the commotion and did not observe the whole thing professionaly.
It depends on the extremity. If it's bad enough, then it would be a clear DQ but if it's one punch to a downed opponent, which happens accidentally, you can't just DQ him straight away. Obviously if he's down and a three punch combo is landed that's wrong and would be the end of the fight, but that kind of rule breaking is similar to biting or trying to break an opponents arm. If one punch lands on a downed opponent, it should be a point deduction or they go to the scorecards.
Are you a ****ing full on ******? Yeah he was down 5 seconds.. he got hit after 4 seconds passed... he was down on his back 1 second after the shot. In super slow mo it was 3 seconds... So either way you are a full on ****** if you think a GIF image is realtime.. and still be off. :rofl
I thought they did an awful job. One thing which should be noted, is that Dirrell did not suffer a concussion, which isn't consistent with a knockout resulting in such a long period without conciousness. I still think it's suspicious Dirrell was prepared for an interview, meaning his team and doctors thought he was ok, when he didn't know whether he had won. It's either one of the most unprofessional things I've ever seen in sport or suspicious. If he really didn't know what had happened, why the **** was he stood waiting to be interviewed? There are lots of suspicious inconsistencies or a massive amount of negligence on behalf of his family, team, promoter, Showtime and, most importantly, doctors.
You are not at one with the world of taking the **** then I see... Also, Dirrell going down whenever he did after he was hit is no proof that he wasn't play-acting.
This will probably set a standard now, other boxers will pretend to be ko'd to get the win if this happens again which it will.
Yes, it clearly should have been a DQ. My problem is, as with the topic-starter, that if Dirrell had got up and looked able to continue the fight would most likely have carried on. Abraham should have been DQ's on the basis of that punch, and not on the fact that Dirrell was rendered unfit to continue from the punch. This logic effectively discriminates against fighters with stronger chins who can take an illegal punch and carry on, rather than punishing the offending fighter who throws an illegal and dangerous punch to begin with. Ie. in a different fight if a fighter throws an identical punch to Abraham and doesn't badly hurt this opponent the fight would most likely continue - how the hell is this fair?
Exactly. If you think the punch deserved a disqualification, that's fair enough, I respect your opinion. If you would have DQed him, if Dirrell had jumped back up, then that's fair on your behalf. I don't think the punch itself was so obviously a foul that it warranted a DQ, but that's where we disagree. At least we agree that the foul should be judged on the foul itself, rather than what happened before or after.
That's pretty much my thoughts. 1) we got robbed of a great 4 minutes where all three outcomes were possible (I wouldn't exclude AD knocking out a reckless AA). I surely would pay to get the time back and remove that stupid add on the canvas. 2) AA lost on credibility in the states and will probably never achieve his dream - making a breakthrough there. He got uncharacteristically irritated and lost completely his cool. He also came as a sour loser afterwards. Ruined his career in less than a second. 3) What went with Dirrell after the foul is... ah well, I would say that it is really really odd. As you pointed, there were so many inconsistencies, I won't even bother to list them. Let me just say that it remind me on my own behaviour when I was child and wanted to get compassion of people and avoid unpleasant situations. Bottom line, he fueled the perception of begin 'runner', 'lacking heart' and 'panicking when under pressure'. We all lost last night... and the states as organiser lost as well. What a crap refereeing, what a crap medical team, what a crap add on the canvas... I'm just bitter as either way the fight would go out, you would have a worthy worthy winner...and a future superstar.
Yes but herein lies the problem. That wasn't the worst illegal punch I've seen. It's not as bad as the shot Mayweather threw against Gatti when his back was turned (ref. didn't say stop) and it would seem an over-reaction to DQ Abraham if Dirrell hadn't been effected. But the fact is, Dirrell WAS effected (let's put the faking argument to one-side here) and so you definitely can't rule that a KO win for Abraham, leaving the ref with no choice but to DQ Abraham.
Europeans have the most ****ed up view of boxing, especially when they are talking about a european fighter. Abraham complained about every body punch he got hit with. They were all legal but in Germany Dirrell would have been DQd. No one is mentioning Abraham literally having his cut treated during the round by doctors. Anyone who thinks Dirrell somehow got special treatment is just mad that their overrated fighter got good and exposed last night. Deal with it.