Is anyone else getting tired of the revisionist?

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Hookie, Mar 28, 2010.


  1. TheGreatA

    TheGreatA Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Show me all the posts where Quarry has been favoured over any of them. I think your opening post was simply an unnecessary outburst, especially the last part. We're talking about the same Quarry that was 50-50 with a welterweight in Thomas Hearns in a recent fantasy match-up. Racism has nothing to do with it. Nobody thinks Quarry was an all-time great fighter.
     
  2. lora

    lora Fighting Zapata Full Member

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    I didna't read that quarry hearns thread much, but if it really was 50-50 that seems to suggest him being vastly underrated on this forum, if anything.
     
  3. Hookie

    Hookie Affeldt... Referee, Judge, and Timekeeper Full Member

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    Well, I should have added "American" White HW.

    I did state of equal talent though... to me the Klitschko's are not on the same talent level as Lewis and company.
     
  4. OLD FOGEY

    OLD FOGEY Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    "Quarry was good but not great. He was a 6' 195 lb. fighter with a 72' reach. He wasn't fast, he wasn't elusive, and he wasn't a big puncher. He had heart and he had a pretty good chin. He was also a bleeder."

    This would seem to be the consensus on this board, and it is my opinion--(except of course his reach was 6 feet and not 72 feet). I would pick Carnera over him. I don't think he was as good as top earlier contenders such as Elmer Ray or Eddie Machen, or Rex Layne at his best.

    How many on this board actually think either Quarry or Morrison were anything more than average contenders of their eras? Some do, I suppose, but not most.
     
  5. OLD FOGEY

    OLD FOGEY Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    "many threads talking him up like he would rule the HW division if he fought today"

    Someone thinks he could beat Vitali Klitschko? or Wlad?

    Who?
     
  6. TheGreatA

    TheGreatA Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    50-50 might be an exaggeration but there were serious arguments for Hearns, Hookie presenting one of them.
     
  7. Hookie

    Hookie Affeldt... Referee, Judge, and Timekeeper Full Member

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    Well, it went pretty much like I thought it would. Some agreed with me, most didn't... but WTF, it is an oldtimers forum!

    Look, I'm not a person who thinks newer is better. I just think certain people are biased to the fighter from an earlier era. Take notice of it in the future if you don't think I'm right.

    Who do I like? My favorite of all-time is Ezzard Charles... but I don't think he could beat giant athletic HWs like Lewis or even the Klitschko's. Sure, maybe he could pull an upset or two if he fought them ten times each but most nights I think he would lose to these guys. I'm not the one who's being biased around here.

    When I here guys say that Wladimir or Vitali don't belong in the all-time top 100 (Heavyweights) I laugh and I think at how close minded people can be. If that's not being biased, than I don't know what is.
     
  8. horst

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    You seem to hear a lot of crazy things said that I and most others on here have never heard being said.
     
  9. TheGreatA

    TheGreatA Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    All I see are exaggerations that don't have anything to do with reality. I'd say that most people here have the Klitschko brothers atleast in their top 50 heavyweights. Also it's difficult to rate a fighter until their career is well and truly over.
     
  10. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

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    :lol: I think Cotto is pretty skilled actually, I like his footwork, balance, punch selection and punching technique but did always thought he was a KO waiting to happen after the battles with Torres/Judah/Corley/Mosley and was a bit suprised Mosley/Judah didnt prevail. As a FMJ fan I always wanted a Cotto fight because the slowness of foot and openness would have made it easy in my view. Oh and if you check my posts I picked Pacquaio to white wash him

    Overall I would put him in the same WW bracket as Cuevas and Palomino personally. You have to give him some kudos for that run he was on.

    Definately agree with Armstrong/Frazier being more skilled Margarito, they are excellent shot pickers, but definately their key strength is volume and volume can break a great technician especially when you remove their range
     
  11. Son of Gaul

    Son of Gaul Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Look it's a boxing forum, people are going to have opinions. Quarry is a tragic figure in many ways because he was a top 5 contender for almost ten years in the toughest HW division ever. He was charismatic and was always game. He was not a GREAT fighter but was a very, VERY good fighter who would be very competitive with 95% of HWs from any era.

    In short, if you want to see why Jerry Quarry is so revered, PLEASE check out FRAZIER-QUARRY I:deal and tell me if any modern boxer could deal with either of those two.

    As to Morrison, he's more of a "would, coulda" guy because he was so gifted and he showed real flashes of brilliance.

    I either case, check out Frazier-Quarry I:deal and all questions will be answered.:good:bbb
     
  12. OLD FOGEY

    OLD FOGEY Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    "I don't think he could beat giant athletic HWs like Lewis or even the Klitschko's."

    This is only important if you are into head to head. I am not. Things are so different today with health care, nutrition, and most of all, performance enhancing drugs, that comparing fighters, or other athletes, from different eras is almost pointless, in my judgement, on any basis but their records against men of their own eras.
     
  13. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

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    You mean this? [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5o7tNlOC7Gk[/ame]

    Dempsey still exhibits similar footwork and head movement, ofcourse hes pulling his punches and slapping, its called sparring. And no McAuliffe doesnt look better :lol: We also have Dempsey on the bag, he clearly has good balance and punching technique

    We also have footage of Greb shadow boxing and on the bag, you can see his style from that.
     
  14. Hookie

    Hookie Affeldt... Referee, Judge, and Timekeeper Full Member

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    I have read plenty of posts stating that Quarry would dominate the HW division in almost any other era than the one he fought in. Haven't you? With that said, that is why I think he is overrated around here. I do think Quarry was very good though... how many times can I say that?

    I've read plenty posts about Tommy Morrison as well... way too many people giving him a chance vs. all-time greats, why? Is it because he is the Grandnephew of John Wayne (Marion Robert Morrison)?

    I love it here, don't get pissed because I have an opinion people. It's all in fun. I just get bored of the same guys getting all the credit.
     
  15. Hookie

    Hookie Affeldt... Referee, Judge, and Timekeeper Full Member

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    Yes, yes, I know all this. I've seen plenty of Quarry. My opinion of him is probably similar to yours believe it or not. I have come across a few that have actually picked him over guys like Marciano and Ezzard Charles though... I just don't see it.