A Devastating Loss For Abraham

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by The Kurgan, Mar 28, 2010.


  1. The Kurgan

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    Prior to this fight, I thought he was the best fighter in the Super Six. Now, having looked even worse than Froch against Dirrell and fouling his way out like a dog/Golota, he's fallen from grace in my view. I used to think that Abraham had the potential to be an ATG, but now I think that he's been rather exposed, albeit in a weird way.

    He's still amazingly talented and I still think that Abraham-Froch is a hard fight to call (I think I still give a slight edge to Abraham) but it's been shown that a tricky boxer can beat him. If Froch can stay out of trouble and use his underrated boxing ability, he can win.

    Froch and Dirrell both come out of this fight looking better. It's now clear that it wasn't that Froch was bad, it was that Dirrell was really good. It was a close fight between two of the best super-middleweights today, rather than a messy scrap between two fundamentally flawed boxers. Froch looked better against Dirrell than Abraham IMO and Dirrell had shown that he really knows how to perform at the top level.

    I would have never thought it at the start of the tournament, but I can see either Dirrell or Froch winning the Super Six. It's hard to believe that, at the start I thought the winning would certainly be either Kessler or Abraham! We've learnt a lot about the starting six and we're only going to learn more and more. We'd never get to see these boxers face so many good challenges in a row, which in itself proves that the tournament format is fantastic.

    The King is dead; long live the Matrix!
     
  2. fatcity

    fatcity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Direll should have 4 points.He is that good.:good
     
  3. Will

    Will Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    We haven't seen how Dirrell fairs against a mover like himself yet. Step up Mr Ward. For me Ward will win this fight. Only takes ward to win and a few other results to happen an Dirrell is out of the tournament.
     
  4. dbouziane

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    i don't really think aa needs to go back to the drawing board and and reinvent himself. the man just needs to be busier. let his hands go. i know dirrell's skillset didnt really afford aa the opportunites that froch's skillset will, but inactivity has been a trait of aa's game for quite some time.

    he was landing on dirrell. he landed some good right hands. that was a clean kd in the 10th.

    ive gone on at length about why i thought aa would ko froch prior to the dirrell fight. the dirrell fight has not changed that opinion a bit. froch lack of movement combined w/ his defensive flaws makes him probably the best matchup aa could have coming off a loss and needing to get back on track. that right hand that was effectively but rarely landing against dirrell COULD land all night against froch.
     
  5. The Kurgan

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    I wouldn't go that far, but he certainly gets a lot of points in my ranking at supermiddleweight. I think he might even be the best in the division now, although we'll have to see him how he does in the rest of the series to be sure. He's now got a gallant loss and an impressive win (except for the shameful ending) which means that he's come out better from both of his Super Six fights so far.

    I scored Froch-Dirrell for Froch by two points, by the way. It was a close fight and while I thought it reflected very badly on Froch to nearly lose to an unproven prospect, Dirrell isn't unproven anymore...
     
  6. The Kurgan

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    I think Dirrell will beat Ward, but that's yet another hard fight to call. Dirrell and Ward have gone from being the underdogs to the top 3 in the Super Six in my book.
     
  7. BigReg

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    I always thought Dirrell had the talent and style to beat anyone at 168 or 175. However, he's also flawed and undisciplined enough to lose to a lot of guys at both weight classes. He fought a pretty disciplined fight against Abraham though.
     
  8. Stovepipe

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  9. Lampley

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    I've always thought Dirrell was more talented than Ward but that Andre is more focused and less likely to make a mistake. I'm not surprised by his great performance against Abraham or his timid one against Froch.

    As for Abraham, he's always been overrated. He has never beaten a legitimate boxer/mover like Dirrell. Worse for him, he still hasn't faced Ward, Bute or Dawson, who also lurk in that weight range and also fight using their feet.

    And there's no guarantee he'd get past Pavlik, Froch or Kessler, either. He's an elite fighter but nothing close to an ATG, IMO.
     
  10. The Kurgan

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    Good post.

    I think Abraham would definitely beat Pavlik and probably beat Kessler. Unless Froch's defensive skills improve, he'll get KO'd by Abraham.
     
  11. gungfu

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    After the Crotch fight, I thought Dirrell could take AA quite easily if he kept pot shotting him and moving. Dirrell did much of that throughout the fight but in the closing rounds he didn't seem as mobile as he was earlier and AA was catching him, especially when Dirrell backed off onto the ropes. To me that showed he was game but not thinking of his best interests as AA seemd to have the power to wipe him out if he kept the pressure up and not let Dirrell dance.

    I feel that Dirrell had it in him to win the fight - seen out r11 and then coasted on the 12th. AA is dangerous for all the rounds but he is very ineffective against Dirrell's style - if Dirrell could maintain it. Easier said than done, but I felt Dirrell could have done it last night. The DQ was a symptom of AA's frustration at not being able to catch him.

    Well done, Andre Dirrell - you got cheated out of a celebration that was pretty much in the bag.
     
  12. Hermit

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    Don't feel bad. You are in good company. When Kalle Saurland put this together I'm sure he felt the same thing. :yep
     
  13. Ramón

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    Don't worry; you'll learn. See, I expected Dirrell to beat Abraham on a much improved performance from his awful showing against Froch. And he did. The way Abraham fought last night only showed me that I had underestimated him, though. Abraham is even better than I thought and Dirrell is as good I had hoped.
     
  14. nip102

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    almost as bad as arum thinking pavilk would ko bhop:rofl
     
  15. nip102

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    why