I believe he did unfortunately. Especially seeing how he acted afterwards. Nothing will ever change my mind that the late punch was wrong but I saw what I saw and I saw a man that knew he won the fight already and decided he'd just call it quits right then and there. Someone even said (on another board, not sure the vailidity of the claim) that Dirrell was brought to the hospital afterwards and checked out okay, not even a slight concussion. That was the nail in the coffin for me, if indeed true...
I'm not changing anything that wasn't laid out in the initial post I referred to. Nothing anyone has written since has attempted to show something similar. Honestly, it is an argument I wouldn't be able to make, I don't have such a wide knowledge of the sport that I could make the claim Chris did, but nobody has tried to counter it, nobody is moving goal posts, its just right there in your face waiting for a response.
Stovepipe, your alleging that a boxer is a fraud, a cheat, a person that deliberately led tens of thousands of fans to believe that he was "hurt" when in fact he was fake-convulsing his legs and acting all hurt and knocked out so that he could fool a ref into awarding him a DQ. This is a scurrilous accusation, with zero evidence in support of it, that is not deserving of any respect whatsoever. To add insult to injury, your arguments in support of your contention are nonsensical and easily disproved.
I'll be back on later. If somebody can show something similar in the history of the sport, or better yet, multiple cases, than that would case doubt again on the subject.
Tell us what argument Chris made that has yet to be disproven. Before you begin, its clear his bias can be easily determined "Abraham was going to knock Dirrell out" "Dirrell was hurt"
Note. Thread title: Was Dirrell faking it??? Note. AA said he was KO'd in the post ring interview. Again, AA was in a better position to know. AA says he was out and it is the one thing I think the dirty cheat is telling the truth about.
His entire act after the stoppage gives him away. Yelling "I got knocked out man! I got knocked out man! Let me breathe! Let me breathe!" is all a diversion. Which fighter after being knocked out starts yelling and crying like a baby? He was afraid his act may not have been convincing enough and so he had to just go crazy afterwards, but anyone with half a brain can tell when something is totally fake.
Then show me the guys that had a delayed reaction and convulsed and recovered out of it at the pace Dirrell did. I know, it sucks to think this happened like this, but unfortunately, your argument that the charges are too harsh to be believed is an emotional one. I am with you though, it is indeed shameful beyond reason for someone to go to this extent of overselling a punch.
I thought you brought up some great points in that thread and I don't mean to avoid that argument, I just wanted to see if anybody had anything to throw against what Chris wrote. anyways I will be back ilater tonight or tomorrow and be happy to discuss that with you here
Beatle, briliiant analysis. I mean brilliant. You've swayed me with this breakdown. Of course! AD was using reverse psychology! Beatle, you have a future somewhere. You're sharp.
Recovered at what pace? He was clearly disorientated, he couldnt even give an interview with Jim Grey. You saying he was faking convulsions? How do you fake a convulsions? Are you saying this was planned in his head? What do you have to say about 9/11 and the kennedyb assassination?
a similar case to Dirrell there ain't anything like it out there. also, we all have biases, not saying he is or not, or you are or not, in the end it doesn't matter if you like Dirrell or I like Abraham etc etc, the arguments put forth are what matters. It is sad when someone rationalizes the facts to fit their fighter but we can sit here all day and accuse the other side of doing that. Instead, just show the similar cases to Dirrell. It is interesting to note that those convulsions were extremely delayed when you consider he had his hands up to his face for awhile after he fell over, showing he still had motor control, then lost it totally and went unconscious, then gained it back and decided to roll over. Please don't make the argument that rolling over was part of his involuntary movement. I want to see something similar to that. Griffin is not similar.