I have a gripe about Abe being DQ'd against Dirrell.

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  1. MRBILL

    MRBILL Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Again, "Abe-Dirrell" was a damn good fight.... It had some thrills and spills.... Dirrell utilized and burned up lotsa' gas during the first 2/3 of the fight... After round 9, Dirrell looked tired as hell and Abe was puffy and cut, but still game.... Dirrell was ahead on points, but Abe was coming on and closing the gap...

    I think Abe got butt reamed on the no knockdown call in round 10 by referee Larry "Coleslaw" Cole.... Abe's punch landed on Dirrell and Dirrell buckled backward and knicked the shoe / foot of Art Abe...... Dirrell was going down....

    I also think the "DQ" call was too quick to enforce by referee Larry Cole, as well...... Abe was on the attack and Dirrell dipped and slipped down to the floor and was there for only a brief second when Abe crashed home a right to the head / jaw of Dirrell...... The fight was heated at the moment..... I do not believe Abe looked to foul Dirrell on purpose.... I think rage and emotions were flying high in a goddamn friggin' heated fight.......

    The DQ call was way too quick....... However, I let go at that and accept the decision that was rendered..... These two (Abe & Dirrell) have some un-finished business to conclude at a later date....... Either way you look at it, Dirrell's DQ win or Abe's DQ loss leaves a sour tatse in my mouth at the moment.....

    NOTE:

    Cooney was NOT DQ'd after nailing Ken Norton with a pair of hooks and rights after Norton was sagged / slumped in a corner at MSG back in 1981.... Referee Tony Perez was slow in reacting there, so Cooney got off "TWO" free shots to a semi-conscious Norton who's eyes were vacant and glazed........ Cooney gets the win by 1st round KO and then signs to fight Larry Holmes for 10 million bucks........

    Tomas Molinares of Colombia cold-cocked Marlon Starling after the bell in round 6 or 7 of their 1988 WBA title fight, yet Molinares got the win and the belt at the conclusion of that hub-bub on HBO....... No DQ there....

    Later on in 1997, Royal Jones was DQ'd for nailing Monty Griffin while Monty was down.... However, Jones' final shot looked blatant........ No biggie...... Jones fixed that problem a few months later in the ill-fated PPV rematch that ended in round 1..........

    All in all, I think Art Abe kinda' got shafted last Saturday night in Detroit...... A rematch is a must between these two dude's........

    MR.BILL:deal:hat:hey:good:scaredas:
     
  2. conraddobler

    conraddobler Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Does the resemblance of the punch to a golf swing indicate to you in any way that Abe might have known what he was doing?

    How long do you want to give him? 3 seconds? He wound up and punched a guy with an underhand right.
     
  3. Thread Stealer

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    There's little consistency in rulings. Bowe hits Mathis when he's down, Mathis can't go on, it's a no contest. Norris hits Walker when he's down, Walker can't go on, Norris gets DQ'd. Lewis hits Acey when he's down three times, Acey is alright, just a warning. Barrera hits Marquez when he's down, Marquez is alright, Barrera gets a point taken away. The only consistency is that DQs/no-contests are pretty much only ruled in which the guys can't or will not go on anymore.

    Abraham lost his composure and discipline in the moment and fouled Dirrell. He knew it was a foul, but he lost control. It happens. It still has to be a DQ though, or at least a no-contest.

    What people haven't talked about much is the 9th round when the ref called time for Abraham's cut and the doctor worked on it mid-round. What was that all about? The doctor is supposed to assess if the cut is too bad for the fighter to go on, he's not supposed to work as a cutman.

    I didn't understand why Dirrell's corner didn't make a big stink out of that when it happened. They should've, that gave Abraham some help that I don't think is allowed.
     
  4. UpperCut2

    UpperCut2 Active Member Full Member

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    :hatGood Afternoon Mr. Bill,
    I thought we'd put this nonsense to bed yesterday. All the previous DQ references are COMPLETELY irrelevant unless "Mr. Cole" was involve in the match. He was not, so drawing those comparisons is moot. If you've paid close attention to statements made by all concerned, you know that a "rematch" is not forthcoming (at least, not for a while). Look how long it too the two "old men" fighting Saturday to put aside their differences. Try 17 long years. What Abraham did during and after the fight is unforgivable. What he and Sauerland did "post" fight compounded the issue far beyond repair. Abraham will be forced to "contemplate" his actions for quite some time. Unless "someone" pays Dirrell a minimum of 8 figures for his trouble. Other than those two things taking place, it aint gonna happen...:bbb
     
  5. Big Left

    Big Left Boxing Addict Full Member

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    how can you say the DQ was too quick - once it became clear that Dirrell was not going to be able to continue the fight it had to be a DQ.

    btw is Dirrell did not slip but was KD'ed and then AA got the cheap shots in , it might have been different.
     
  6. MRBILL

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    Just too much of a gray area between a DQ and No-Contest....... A DQ is certainly more harsh to receive..... A No-Contest ruling stalemates everything and pretty much assure's the public a rematch will occur....

    Boxing politricks allowed Bowe not to be DQ'd against Mathis in 1994........ Bowe was still a boxing gravy train, while Mathis was a name with an ugly style and no power...... No way in hell they (World of Boxing) was gonna shaft Bowe in that summer of '94 fiasco.....

    If you have the name, rep, money and right manager, you can get around some of these issues' that other fighters cannot avoid being nailed for..... Art Abe was NOT gonna get and special treatment or favors in Detroit.....

    MR.BILL:thumbsup
     
  7. booradley

    booradley Mean People Kick Ass! Full Member

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    I brought that up, and got zero response.

    Same sort of thing happened in the first Miranda fight. The doctor was allowed to spend a boat load of timing working on AA's jaw after a head butt that even the ref said had nothing to do with the jaw.
     
  8. MRBILL

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    Either way we care to look at this thing, Art Abe's stock is not gonna drop or fold based on this DQ loss to Dirrell last Sat. Night...... Abe is nowhere near a huge star in the USA, but his ratings are doing well enough for Showtime to keep him signed up...... Art Abe will be back for more..... No doubt there............

    Dirrell's stock would've risen last weekend had his fans and John Q. Public not last seen him laying on the canvas out like a bulb by way of a foul or whatever you wish to refer to the blow by Abe..... Dirrell is basically in the same place he was before his fight with Abe..... Cable will use him again though.... Dirrell will get another paycheck from Showtime down the road....

    MR.BILL
     
  9. conraddobler

    conraddobler Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Mr. Bill, the question is how much leeway do you give a fighter to punch someone who is down? I assume the sport should make some effort to limit the number if deaths that occur in the ring, right?

    So the question is, when AA started his motion, was Dirrell down? The answer is clearly yes. How do we know. A) watch the video. B) it was an underhand right. You don't swing an underhand right unless your aiming for a man who is on the ground.

    obvious foul, obvious DQ.
     
  10. MRBILL

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    Be as it may, John Q. Public AIN'T exactly gonna rush to invest in Dirrell's stock all of a sudden based on this fiasco........

    Dirrell loses to Carl Froch and now beats Abe on his back by way of DQ.... Dirrell is young, but he's quickly cracking all his eggs.... If he wants to become a star in the Super-Middle tourny, he can't have anymore close shave losses or fiasco's in the ring right now.....

    MR.BILL:deal
     
  11. Motor City Sam

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    Thread Stealer and Boo Radley, I'm glad you guys brought up the thing about the doctor working on the cut. I had the same questions while watching the fight. The doctor acted more like his job was to stop the bleeding rather than determine if the fight could go on.
     
  12. MRBILL

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    Doc's have applied certain forms of pressure on a cut while observing the wounds of cut fighters for yrs..... Not all doc's do, but many have.... Some doc's feel they need to clean up the cut so they can see deep into the would to determine just how bad the cut really is...

    I recall Goodie Petronelli up on the ring apron working on Kevin McBride's cut alongside the ring doctor back in 2005 after the referee called a halt to the action..... Goodie actually got away with applying pressure and cleaning up the cut during a "Time-Out" period..... I believe it was Joe Cortez who was the ref..... He EVENTUALLY said something to Goodie....... WTF?

    MR.BILL
     
  13. Doc (aka Meke)

    Doc (aka Meke) Active Member Full Member

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    Maybe because AA had just cornered AD and clipped him before the ref jumped in to separate them?!

    It was an odd moment to choose to stop the fight and many feel that it favoured Dirrell. Don't think the ref had clue that the doc will treat the cut too. Either way, a dumb refereeing.
     
  14. Diggersan

    Diggersan Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It was just the two fighters he was facing, they both got frustrated because they don't know how to fight a slick boxer. If Froch would have actually fought a boxing match instead of all the cheap **** he was doing, things would have turned out differently. It seems AA was holding that **** in all night but come round 11 must have been fed up he couldn't hit him.
     
  15. MRBILL

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    Again, it'll be interesting to see how Dirrell rebounds after his two fights with "Froch & Abe." The boxing world will be eyeballing hard in his next outing.. Will Dirrell become "Gun-Shy" or timid???

    MR.BILL