Dirrell should be on top of the tourny

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  1. MichiganWarrior

    MichiganWarrior Still Slick! Still Black! Full Member

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    If Froch fans dont know what EFFECTIVE aggression is, I suggest you watch the man in Freddy-Waks avatar.

    JCC made Hector Camacho who tried to box him almost at a spring pay every time he hit a corner, and every time Camacho stopped to take a break JCC was on him.

    Thats Effective Aggression.


    What Froch did was swing and miss widely, and Dirrell basically could go anywhere he wanted to in the ring.
     
  2. iceman71

    iceman71 WBC SILVER Champion Full Member

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    if all else fails , heres the facts...one guy was trying to fight, the other guy ran.....
     
  3. iceman71

    iceman71 WBC SILVER Champion Full Member

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    and you see what the got him...a big fat LOSS

    :hi:
     
  4. MichiganWarrior

    MichiganWarrior Still Slick! Still Black! Full Member

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    And whats funny was the guy who tried to fight was the only one who got hurt in the fight. :lol:
     
  5. kirk

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    Im rescoring it right now, if you dont mind freddy ill post my round by round here... im going to be unbiased (to be honest i like dirrell just as much if not more then froch) so here i go.
     
  6. JoeAverage

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    I had it even or 1 point for Dirrell.

    I had the AA fight 7-3 for Dirrell with 1 KD for AD and 2 KDs for AA.
     
  7. Babality

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    Dirrell beat Froch without question for me. I watched that fight with my dad and we were in shock of the result. Dirrell should be 2-0 for sure.
     
  8. kirk

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    Round 1 - Little done this round by eather fighter, mainly one punch at a time by both, Dirrell controls most of the round peppering a patient and stalking froch with some jabs and such, Froch comes forward for a bit causing Dirrell to retreat but didnt last long and nothing much to it.
    Dirrell - 10/9 - Controlled majority of round

    Round 2 Both starting to warm up, Dirrell doing some nice countering and landed a decent jab to the body, Froch landing some nice jabs of his own to both the head and body and pressing Dirrell back from time to time. Both landed their fair share of nice body shots actually with the jab and straight rights. Dirrell landed a decent hook countering a leaping left hook by froch. I think anyone thinking this is a big round for eather fighter is biased. Froch was pushing it and landed plenty of shots and Dirrell landed that nice counter and some good shots as well. i could see a froch fan scoring this round for him.
    - Dirrell 10/9 - They both seemed to score about the same, i favor froch's pressing forward and making dirrell retreat, but he got cought with one of the cleanest shots of the round up top courtesy of that counter - close round i wouldnt complain if it was scored for Froch

    Round 3
    Dirrell starts the round with a very nice crisp punch that finds its mark on Froch. froch then does some roughing which makes the ref talk to him, the rest of the minute is nothing much aside Froch stalking Dirrell, Dirrell lands a very nice one two on Froch, lands some more nice punches. Dirrell lighting him up a bit this round, best round for Dirrell so far. Froch then storms him with Dirrell backing off/running away and gets kinda cought with a right hand and the crowd goes wild, but really, a bit much ado about nothing, everything of note this round has been done by Dirrell, from controlling the action to landing the meaningful punches to fustrating Froch, good round for Dirrell.

    Dirrell - 10/9 - (3-0 for Dirrell, could be 2-1 just as easily though)

    Round 4
    A round i am forced to score for Dirrell based on him simply landing good, solid punches along with controlling much of the action for his fair share of the round as well, yes, he does go into run mode a bit in a few of Frochs assaults, but not all of it was running, some of it was just good ring generalship and lateral movement. although he does resort to running in spurts which pisses me off, he doesnt do 'enough' of it for me to not give him the round off of his crisp counterpunches and peppering shots compared to frochs aggression.

    Round 4 - Dirrell 10/9 *I could almost see someone who wants to give a round to Froch be fustrated enough with Dirrells retreating in some parts to maybe give this to him but i simply couldnt

    *Note. Showtime announcer Al states 'These are very close rounds' also, to those who like to pretend that Dirrell doesnt even get touched in the fight, there is blood coming from Dirrells nose/mouth.

    Round 5 - dirrell

    Round 6
    This is the first round where i think Froch's aggression truly outweighs anything Dirrell did (which in this round was a lot of falling down, grabbing and running) Nothing pretty here, but Froch is def mauling Dirrell and doing his most effective job of rattling Dirrell so far. The first clear round for Froch IMO.

    Froch - 10/9


    Round 7
    Ugly ass round, wow... havnt seen this much holding since Hatton vs Urango, the ref actually looks at Dirrell in fustration and tells him to fight. Froch is trying to make a go of it but Dirrell is simply grabbing him every time he gets close, he even lunges in and grabs him towards the end of the round. **** round with not much going on. That being said, Froch has to find a way around that, i dont feel much sympathy for guys who just let themselves get grabbed then dont do anything and wait for the ref to break them up, he needs to start roughing Dirrell up like last round, but anyways, all the meaningful punches were landed by dirrell this round, but wow.... ugly, ugly round. To be honest i dont even want to score that.... Some would give it to froch for pressing and trying to lay it on dirrell, and dirrell retreating, holding, complaining, ect... others will score it for dirrell because if you actually look at it, he was still landing some decent shots in there in between. Froch roughs Dirrell up towards the end of the round with some nice shots but then Dirrell lands a beauty of a counter to back froch off a bit.

    Froch - 10/9 - Roughed Dirrell up a bit, and dirrell did way too much holding, lunging, grabbing, ect.... Dirrell landed some nice shots in this round too and it was by no means an easy easy round to score to me personally but i think Froch got the best of it.

    Round 8
    *Announcers remark its still a pretty close fight*
    Dirrell seemingly got his legs back under him and wants to make a statement this round, throwing some nice wicked shots throughout, not quite sure why Froch let off the gas when now is the time to be pressing. but Dirrell is controlling the round nicely, really starting to sit down on his punches,
    - DIRRELL NEEDS TO QUIT BACKING AWAY WITH HIS CHIN UP AND HANDS DOWN -
    Against Froch he can do it because froch is slow and sloppy, against aa he can do it because AA is a pretty short, stout guy and dirrell has a nice height advantage there, but this WILL haunt him.
    anyways.
    VERY nice punch catches Dirrell square on the chin, nice punch by froch, Dirrell grabs hold. Froch lands another right as Dirrell is backing away and again Dirrell starts to hold as they land in the corner, crowd going wild.
    Wow. that is a hard round to score depending on what your looking at, Froch landed some very nice punches, but it really only came at the last 45 seconds or so of the round, after dirrell had put in some decent work. tight round, not quite sure who to lean it to here to be honest.

    Round 9
    Another round with various things to see and score for, even the announcers are split in that round, one saying good round for froch while the other says he thinks it was a good round for dirrell. im partial to score it for dirrell myself but hardly this one sided boxing lesson people love reciting.


    Round 10
    Both doing there thing, Dirrell has slowed a bit and is more stationary then he was earlier in the fight, Froch getting to him a bit here and there, both landing shots, Froch pressing. nothing major going on really. (announcers have Dirrell up by 1 point)
    Ref deducts point from Dirrell
    They resume the action (this is actually a pretty good scrap with the crowd going nuts and these twos clashing styles, yes its a bit ugly here and there but its got some good suspense and action too)
    Dirrell lands some VERY GOOD punches, best punches of the round no doubt and maybe the fight. looks like he HURTS froch, just when it looked like Dirrell was completely going to be running Dirrell blasts him.
    Gotta make this round 9-9, Dirrell straight up lit Froch up there.

    Round 11
    Dirrell does some good work in this round, landing plenty of punches and showing very good defence, very very nice round for Dirrell.

    Dirrell - 10/9

    Round 12
    Dirrell fighting very well for never having been in the championship rounds before (how scary will it be if Dirrell actually improves as a fighter?!) Landing some big shots, controlling most of the round, avoiding most of froch's shots. Presses Froch back to the ropes and lands some big shots. Froch closes out the round trying to do some work with Dirrell close to the ropes. gotta give this round to Dirrell.

    Dirrell - 10/9

    All in all, this WAS a good scrap and NOT some one sided boxing lesson OR beatdown by eather fighter... and i think to say so is being overdramatic or biased (imo).... there were plenty of rounds that were very close and that really could have gone eather way depending on what you like. I think round 2, 8, and 9 could be scored for Froch closely, or maybe even scored even... which varies the scoring quite a bit.

    Dirrell is a very good fighter, and for all Froch's limitations, he is as well. I personally must change my mind in saying that i think Froch won this fight, but i still think it is a close fight and not some blowout eather. Froch does a lot of bodywork that gets overlooked and actually lands a lot of jabs, and when you have your opponent straight up retreating, lunging and grabbing, and holding, yes... that does count for something. But, i have to say that after rewatching it scoring it round by round, i have to give an edge to Dirrell.

    I am not going to call this fight a robbery however.... as i saw a close, rough scrap, and so did the announcers. I do however think Dirrell should have probably won that fight, as even the round with the point deduction, imo he makes it an even round, and then he goes on to actually win the 11th and 12th in my book.

    Not the greatest performence from Dirrell, but he did many good things, and lets be real here, he is still a very green prospect, fighting a champ in the champs backyard and this was the FIRST time hes ever even been in the championship rounds.

    I hope Dirrell goes on to beat Ward, id like to see Dirrell vs Froch or AA in the finals.... and to be honest, i actually DO think Dirrell can beat Ward. What an interesting and great fight that will be.

    anyways, i wanted to rewatch it and thats what i did, i have a more solid opinion of the fight now as when i was watching it there was so much yelling and emotion going into it and i was so fustrated with dirrells antics in a few of the rounds and i didnt bother really scoring it. So im glad i did this... no doubt my scorecard will be wrong to every other person out there lol, but i dont really care. Im confident in my thinking that this was a very rough fight for both (regardless of what froch says, not quite sure how he can say it was an easy night when he was getting lit up on quite a few occasions) and Dirrell def got manhandled his fair share throughout.
     
  9. JoeAverage

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    It is just you...

    Dirrell was the same fast in both. Just that AA moves and punches quite fast when he wants to, so the difference wasn't there so much as in the Froch fight.
     
  10. kirk

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    well i can already tell im going to be scoring this way different then the way i 'felt' about it at the time (i didnt score it outright when i was watching it, i just remember being overly fustrated with Dirrells antics)

    I will do a few more rounds and then head to bed....
     
  11. kirk

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    Maybe.... i think perhaps Dirrell also chose to change his speed about in AA, throwing some slower and some faster, where as in the froch fight he throws all of them blindingly fast.
     
  12. chappie

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    interestin thoughts here.at the time of the fight i had it to froch by the narrowest of margins because i was so frustrated with dirrell`s constant bitching and negativity.need to watch it again now.it`s strange how after the event when you already know the result you can judge a fight a little more coldly and objectively.only last night i re watched david haye v. valuev.at the time it was in the back of my mind it was in germany and haye was going backwards not throwing a lot coming across as a bit negative.i really didn`t think he was going to get the nod.after watching it with fresh eyes yesterday i saw it a good few rounds in favour of haye.need to rewatch froch dirrell
     
  13. BigmanJapan

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    I agree but he loses to Ward IMHO...luckily Froch will be KTFO TWICE so a rematch IN THE STATES is a possibility of settling the matter (if Froch has recovered from the mental scar of two life threatening KOs)!
     
  14. JoeAverage

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    Dirrell is faster than Ward, but Ward is most likely smarter.

    It will be a very interesting fight - and it will determine a lot about their futures.
     
  15. Boyd

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    so you admit Dirrell didnt try to fight. its about time.