In Feb. 1951 He had the best 10 men he'd faced rated in this order : 1. Billy Conn 2. Max Baer 3. Jimmy Braddock 4. Max Schmeling 5. Tommy Farr 6. Ezzard Charles 7. Primo Carnera 8. Jersey Joe Walcott 9. Bob Pastor 10. Arturo Godoy In Sept. 1964 he had a slightly different list, a top 5 : 1. Billy Conn 2. Max Baer 3. Max Schmeling 4. Jersey Joe Walcott 5. Primo Carnera
Can't say i agree with those picks, but then i haven't been in the ring with those guys. Apparently he thinks very high of Baer and Conn.
From what I heard about his thoughts on Ramage, I'd think he would've cracked onto one of those lists.
Well, only 2 people ever knocked him out. And one of them he beat severely, and the other he fought years past his prime.
I think he rates Conn a bit too high personally.. Schmeling defeated once and was a lineal world champion.. I would have to keep it between him and probably Walcott for the top seat.
Well, you know as well as I do, that its not uncommon for a champion to rate his victims higher than his conquerors, ( see Holmes' rating of Shavers' power over Tyson. )
In the article where I pulled the second list (1964) he did say Rocky Marciano was the best fighter who's come along lately. I guess he was just choosing from fighters he'd met while he was in his prime or still champion, fighters "of his era".
Holmes rates just about anyone who fought in the 1970s higher than anyone who came along in his waning years or later. I dont think rating Shavers' power over Tyson's is particularly controversial though.
Interesting for sure. Louis always tended to rate punchers, and he placed a high premium on toughness and willingnes to force the fight so I am not surprized by the high ranking of Baer, Braddock or Farr. Conn by his own admision gave him his toughest fight so no shock there either. I am a little surprized that he gave kudos to Godoy who he was somewaht critical of after their first fight. He seems to be prety consistant on Conn being #1 and Baer being #2.
It's absolutely not. Ali knocked out Foreman and had a much closer one with Shavers and he says Shavers is the harder puncher of the two. Holmes also said Tyson was a "sharper" puncher, just not the bigger puncher. Which seems to me like a reasonable thing. Although, it is true Holmes about Holmes and the seventies.
Yeah, that surprised me too. I mean, didn't he say about his problems with him, something like "I'm not a track star" or something similar? Didn't think he was impressed, just frustrated.
I guess he gained a more favourable impression of Godoy after he'd smashed his face in in the rematch.