How many Euros in the Top 10 all-time??

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  1. hoopsman

    hoopsman Boxing Addict Full Member

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    We have heard much ranting and raving from our Euro brethren about our (Americans) chest beating over our fighters.

    Well, how many Euros crack the Top 10 all-time, irresepctive of weight class?

    I'll start us off by submitting Sugar Ray Robinson and Ali, two Americans and each, respectively, a consensus Top 10-er of all-time.

    Kindly provide me the names of two Euros who belong on the list.
     
    hoopsman, Mar 31, 2010
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  2. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Bob Fitzsimmons belongs on there.

    I've seen a case made for Jimmy Wilde, though I don't see it, at all.
     
    McGrain, Mar 31, 2010
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  3. Arran

    Arran Boxing Junkie banned

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    hard to say since boxing in america is so insular and most americans never had to travel half the world to fight, they always had home advantage, than of course the mafia ran the belt for years and refused to allow the belt to leave the USA, why are Eastern Euros running things now in the HW division? I think its fair to say the HW lineage would be alot different had they been allowed to fight in the past, even with the americans getting homefield advantage evrytime!
     
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  4. El Cepillo

    El Cepillo Baddest Man on the Planet Full Member

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    Europeans and Americans have historically, for the most part, not been treated on equal terms by the WBA/WBC cartels.

    'World Championships' - often in name only - titles contested usually by Americans, for American audiences. There are plenty of exceptions of course, but in general a lot of Europeans probably never got the shots or exposure they deserved and therefore the ATG rankings are dominated by Americans.

    How else would you explain the disparity?
     
    El Cepillo, Mar 31, 2010
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  5. timmyjames

    timmyjames PTurd curb stomper Full Member

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    boxing has lost it's way in the USA, and other sports have taken off

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    free university education (if you go), signing bonuses, $ right away (no working your way through the ranks), more exposure, more endorsements, and you don't have to get punched in the face repeatedly, could also factor in on things
     
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  6. 1 Hitta Quitta

    1 Hitta Quitta Active Member Full Member

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  7. Arran

    Arran Boxing Junkie banned

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    Same can be said for every country, in pretty much every south american, african and european country the athletes go to football/rugby. That excuse is such bollox.
     
    Arran, Mar 31, 2010
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  8. Arran

    Arran Boxing Junkie banned

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    Heres one of Englands LHW.....playing football instead.

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    Arran, Mar 31, 2010
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  9. StreetsOfGold

    StreetsOfGold Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Atg lists are just opinion, who's to say Ted "kid" lewis wasn't the best of all time.

    I think in all probability a lot of the atg from way back were merely men ahead of their time in terms of dedication fitness training and technique rather than some "god given" ability.
     
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  10. hoopsman

    hoopsman Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I am asking for your rankings, so please dispense with the American bias nonsense.

    Produce at least two Euros that belong on the list to match the two I offered.
     
    hoopsman, Mar 31, 2010
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  11. timmyjames

    timmyjames PTurd curb stomper Full Member

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    great, but u said HW
     
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  12. Arran

    Arran Boxing Junkie banned

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    oh ok, would you prefer it if i posted up a 230lbs rugby player? + we have david haye....you have......fat Arreola. :lol:
     
    Arran, Mar 31, 2010
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  13. hoopsman

    hoopsman Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Fitzsimmons I can live with.

    Now I will offer another: Joe Louis.
     
    hoopsman, Mar 31, 2010
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  14. El Cepillo

    El Cepillo Baddest Man on the Planet Full Member

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    As I said, please explain the disparity. Without resorting to suggesting that Americans are the Master Race or something equally bigoted. It wasn't a level playing field, that's why Americans have historically done better.
     
    El Cepillo, Mar 31, 2010
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  15. timmyjames

    timmyjames PTurd curb stomper Full Member

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    lol, i like haye, and can't stand arreola
     
    timmyjames, Mar 31, 2010
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