Joe Louis vs Mike Tyson

Did someone say Tyson had more one-punch KOs ?

How many one-punch KOs did Tyson have ?

Do we even know how many he and Louis had ?

 

damn ! that's one heck of a resume ..
louis is definitely the greatest heavyweight of all time
at least tyson wins the poll in this one

 

Knocked down by punches that had left many other opponents lying out on the canvas, Joe Louis recovered, got back to his feet and won every single one of those fights.

and what? AND WHAT!?

 

If you are trying to argue against Louis it is best not to bring up the issue of resume.

Louis beat approximately three times as many ranked contenders as Mike Tyson (who is under rated in this aspect).

That is one heck of a resume.

 

You don't even need to consider resume to think that Louis has more than a good chance against Tyson. You can see it plain as day on film, the fashion in which he knocks people the **** out is raw deadliness. He's not some fisticuffer with a porno-tasche that requires extensive glorification and a massive dose of era-bias to justify. He was way ahead of his time.

 

At least we have to work hard to defend Jack Dempseys resume.

 

Altering language to win in argument is fun.

It's tenuous that you can't analyze the context at which things happen. Louis more vulnerable defensively, and much easier to hurt. It took Douglas 10 rounds of punishing Tyson to get him out of there. You call Douglas a powder-puncher, but I'm sure he hits harder than Schemling.

Then stop making silly arguments about frame and weight when talking about handspeed. You say it's hardly significant, I say 95% of people would agree with me.

Yes and no. It works in his advantage to have a plodding come going into his power. I think Dempsey wouldn't be durable and elusive enough to sustain his attack without getting obliterated. I feel other swarmers would, and Tyson is one of these guys. I think his durability is very good and his elusiveness in and of it self will probably try Louis. He's going to slip that jab, and disrupt Louis' rhythm. I think Louis punches first but probably not often enough. I always think Louis will be surprised by Tyson's jab in his face.

Lastly, what's your take of the Godoy fight? Louis just didn't like being crowded, and liked having room. While Tyson wasn't a typical in-fighter he's going to be after him and closing the distance fast. He's not going to give Louis as much room as he wants... let's just say that.

Key word being harder puncher, not better puncher. Louis is probably the best composite puncher at HW with Tyson right there with him. Frank Bruno had sparring partners that said he hit as hard as Foreman.

No, I was referring to fighting a man with comparable if not better power. Who did Louis fight, let alone beat that had comparable if not more power than Tyson?

If he abandons his jab here is probably in more trouble. What do you think of Tyson's defense and most importantly his ability to get past the jab. Hooking with Tyson would be dangerous. As Dundee said you don't "you don't hook with a hooker and you don't date a hooker." Though Louis is the best HW puncher, he would need to vary his attack and try being unpredictable. I just don't see Louis setting or getting in a comfortable rhythm against Tyson. And I think Tyson can take what Louis has better than Louis can take what Tyson has.

 

Based on the film we do have. I guess we don't truly know then.

I'm sure Tyson has more overall and probably has more if not at least as many over rated fighters.

 

I'll be honest, I cant think of many Tyson one-punch KOs.
Botha, maybe Tubbs, Etienne ? lol

Maybe you can enlighten me.

I like how you say, "I guess we don't truly know then.

I'm sure Tyson has more overall "

Classic. :good

 

Maybe, but then Louis wasn't seeing stars against Schmeling like Tyson was vs. Douglas, so it probably evens itself out. Like I said, there's no clear edge. Louis has been down more, Tyson has been more badly hurt when he has been down.

Hey? You're the one who brought up Tyson's weight as a justification for having greater "P4P speed" (whatever that is), which was hardly relevant.

Truth is not subject to majority opinion.

Fair enough. I think Louis is more accurate and efficient that you're giving him credit for, basically. But there are perfectly good reasons for picking Tyson, like these. (I did, after all, leave this more or less 50/50 in my OP.)

Well, Godoy is different to Tyson for starters. Godoy is a true, rough-and-tumble in-fighter, whereas Tyson operated at mid-range. He didn't stick his head in your chest and play with your arms; he wanted an open exchange. So it's not all that relevant.

For the record, though, I think Louis handled Godoy pretty easily in the second fight. Obviously, he had a rough ride in the first, but once he sussed out the guy's style it was a different ball game. He kept the guy at a distance, got to the punch first from the outside and defended himself well in close, broke the guy down and finished him. Not a weak performance by any means. (Ironically with me having dismissed the relevance of this fight for Louis/Tyson, I think the skills Louis showed there illustrate quite nicely some of the skills he'd use to handle Tyson.)

You got that one in there faster than McGrain! :good

Who did Tyson fight, let alone beat that had comparable if not more power than Louis?

Well, if you haven't seen that Louis has a diverse, fast, accurate, powerful offensive arsenal, I can't help you.