Irish Boxing

Well whoever he fights, Lets hope he puts out a full performance and get himself noticed to try get himself some big fights this year and hopefully TV coverage too........

 

Now your talking! Would "dudey" headline an 02 bill and be able to sell it out? How is he thought of down below? Obviously he has fought plenty of times on dunnes undercard at the point and at the stadium and also in limerick on lee's card; but hasn't headlined too often.

 

I disagree. Have a look some of the opponents Lindsay has been in with over his last few fights. On paper they were tough matchups, but he came through. I reckon, from what I have seen from Pajo, he would have a good chance against Simpson and a win would really be a good breakthrough fight. It is risky but high reward too. If he gets a shot at Simpson I think he has got to take the opportunity when he can. I am sure he will have learned from his mistakes against Covenay and in fairness, even though he boxed poorly that night, he still concluded matters with a quality stoppage.

 

Couldn't see Duddy selling out anything bigger than the Stadium unless there was a serious title on the line....or unless it was against Lee or Macklin.....

 

I totally agree with this.......
Any fight that may come up, Grab it with both hands....Even if it is only to stay active.

 

Lindsay wasn't coming off a terrible performance before he took any of those fights. The Derry Matthews fight was a real risk and it turned out to be a wise one. Lindsay however had never shown weaknesses and need for improvement like Pajo did against Coveney.

I certainly don't think Hyland would beat Simpson if they were to meet next, although that fight would be unlikely to happen soon unless Pajo was eligible for the Commonwealth belt. Simpson is very strong at the weight and so experienced. Perhaps with more experience himself Hyland will be able to win fights like that in the not too distant future, but I give him a quite a small chance of succeeding were they to meet before Hyland has done that.

If you're going to take that sort of risk then why not fight Yefimovich next anyway ?, both fighters are of a similar level(the Ukranian probably slightly better) and Yefimovich brings so much greater reward. He'd most likely have to go away to get either fight aswell.

You wouldn't put Lee in with Pavlik after his last performance would you ?



Best of luck to Hyland btw whoever he does face next, I don't want it to seem like I'm hating. He's the best of the brothers and a talented fighter with good prospects for doing well in the game, but imo he needs time and the right opposition to develop. Throwing him to the Wolves is not the way forward.....

 

Lindsay was been beaten very clearly on the scorecards against Derry Matthews until he pulled out that peach of a shot.....

And i really dont get how people put down Mickey Coveney, Well and good his record dont look great on paper, but is a very experienced boxer...

Martin Lindsay is going to fight Akaash Bhaita next for his british title....
the BBBoC have ordered a rematch between Coveney and Bhaita as they taught Coveney was robbed.

Lets look at Coveney for a minute.....Matthews, Appleby, O'Hara, Arthur & Bhaita have all failed to stop him. And he still said Pajo was 1 of the toughest guys he has ever stood in the ring with.....

 

Nah, you are not hating, it is a fair enough perspective, but not one that I share. If Pajo didnt have a power shot, I would agree with you, but he does, and I think there would be a lot of gaps for him to exploit against a pressure fighter like Simpson. Simpson is a powerhouse, tough as nails and has incredible fitness. But, he can be outboxed and Pajo could slow him and even cut him open with his hurtful shots. So I would give him a good chance against Simpson.

He would have to improve from his last performance, but that is down to his preparation. I dont see the opportunity coming right now though, so think this debate is immaterial, but if it did arise or even a fight against the Ukranian, a step up in class will be high reward and even if he were to get beat, he could come back from it and it would at least be a barameter on how far his has come. Simpson has came back well from his losses.

As I said, the general point I am making is that if Pajo gets the opportunities, I think he should grab them as he has a decent chance to pull it off. If he did pull it off a live Sky Sport Friday Fight Night top of the bill win against one of those guys it would do wonders for his career and put him into contention as a headliner for big Dublin shows down the road.

One further point, we had a discussion on here recently about Pajo-Lindsay, and a lot of the lads were saying that it would be a pretty close fight, well if Pajo-Lindsay is viewed as a close fight, then I certainly dont think Pajo-Simpson is any tougher.

Pavlik is world class, comparing Pavlik v Lee, is a completely different proposition to the Pajo-Simpson scenario.

 

Correct Lindsay was way behind against Derry on the cards(imo the fight was pretty much even), till be pulled out that huge left hook.

Mickey Coveney is indeed much better than his record suggests and if he had more backing behind him his record would have a lot more wins, and quite a few less losses. Bhaita himself would be another good fight for Pajo if they could get it, or a guy like Jamie Arthur. Simpson however is on another level to those guys completely.

Lindsay probably will fight Bhatia next, and that most likely won't be competitive at all. A fight between Bhatia and Hyland however probably would be.

 

If a fight with Pajo and Bhatia happened......Id have Pajo down to stop him in the early rounds..(1-6).

But any of the guys you mentioned would be a good fight for Pajo and very winable too, which will boost him right up the EBU ratings..

 

I'm not all against taking chances or risks, but they need to be at the right time/right opponent. If Cyril Thomas still held the European title i'd say go for it. Thomas is a similar level to Simpson/Yefimovich, but he's pretty much an out and out boxer. If Hyland were to lose to him, it's likely he wouldn't take a beating and with Thomas ageing and showing weakness in his durability before it wouldn't be out of that question that Hyland could land a ko shot.

Simpson and Yefimovich however are the type of guys who will punish you and dish out a brutal beating if it turns out you're not up to their level. Look at the hammering Paul Truscott took in his 2nd fight with Simpson.
Or the manner in which Yefimovich dispatched of Pickering.
Brutal demolitions of different manners, but certainly not the type of thing I'd want my fighter to endure while taking the risk of trying to skip a few levels. You could do much more harm in the long run than good, where as a loss to a guy like Thomas is something he'd be likely to learn from.

I don't see Lindsay vs Hyland as a close fight, at least not right now anyway. I'm guessing those that do, would also see Hyland vs Simpson as close......yet again I think otherwise.


While my comparison isn't completely fair, I used it to point out you wouldn't put a fighter who is stuggling at one level(Lee around European, Pajo around domestic) in to the top of the next(Pavlik at World, Yefimovich at European). You'd at least wait till the fighter has shown they can deal with the level they are at comfortably enough, before pushing them straight to the top of the next level.

I agree that this discussion is immaterial to a degree, as Hyland vs Simpson/Yefimovich are extremely unlikely to occur anytime in the next 12 months.

Adam I'm not sure Pajo would stop Bhatia early, but I'd certainly favour him to win and I reckon he could get the stoppage aswell. It would be a good fight for him, but once again one I don't expect to happen.

 

Im sure we will all see what the next 12 months has in store for Pajo and all 3 Hyland boys for that matter, and im sure im not going to be the only person on here that will give them a following........
Im sure only time will tell, and who knows what level they can reach without taking risks and just going for it.....If you get beaten, its on your record that you got beaten by a guy who is at a top level...No harm in that.....

Whats the old saying...."To be the best, You've got to beat the best".

Im sure Pajo would fight any of the names we mentioned here tonight and like-wise, But then we are running into the Brutal world of boxing politics,
Which is the main factor in why 90% of fights world-wide dont happen...and the only people losing out are us as the boxing fan.....

 

Ha ha, two pages of chat later!!

For what its worth I think Patricks the best of the 3 brothers but they all need to get a move on this year. They have been moved along too slowly and I can understand Paddy Snr being protective of them but surely its time he let them off the leash and linked up with a promoter who can deliver the big fights for them.

 

You got any promoters in mind????

 

No you're dead right there. I just wish he'd get a head of steam up. I'd reckon he would KO Pickering (without outboxing him) mid rounds which wouldn't teach him a great deal.

I'd like him to learn something from his next fight. Matchmaking isn't easy of course. Voronin is a seasoned campaigner but he is on the slide so thats not a bad call. I still think the light punching, 34 year old but undefeated and former EU champion Serveidi isn't the worst idea in the world.

The unbeaten record and EU title give him credibility but hes 34 and never been beyond fringe Euro level barring the one shot at Blanco really so that means its not the biggest risk in the world for Hyland while still being a decent name to tack on to the record.

He has to be moved up at some stage. If hes not good enough and he gets beaten so be it. Patrick Hyland turns 27 this year and, at a guess, will have a 20-21 fight professional career spanning 6 years when the does.

Now 27 isn't old in boxing terms but its too old to be fiddling about for much longer. If its just sharpness and extra fights he needs then he could be fighting on undercards in england. He doesn't always have to headline at home if improving is what hes about now.
Yeah its a lot less sexy going on at 7.20pm at the York Hall in front of 30 people than it is going on in the prime slot on RTE in front of a packed stadium. However, if its more fights that he needs then thats what he should do. He needs to gather some momentum here.

Carpe Diem!!!!