Message to Pavlik fans: Kelly Pavlik didn't beat Arthur Abraham, Dirrell did lol...

The Super Six is not a freaking tough man contestatsch

You can't just run down to the local gym and sign up. The tourney is by invitation only, and Pavlik was NOT invited. Two unproven prosects, and JT's corpse were invited, but Pavlik and Bute were not. Now I think even you can do the math on that one.

 

of course, but would he really accept if he was invited? To be honest, I don't think it would make sense to him - he can easily make MW, unlike AA who was moving up sooner or later. Pavlik also has a couple of big fish to fry - Williams and possible Sturm, and if you add a couple of soft touches in between, then 2 years are already gone. His fight with the winner of super six would be HUGE. It made all sense for AA to move up and join the tournament but not so much for Pavlik (not saying he wouldn't have done, to be clear).

Also, for the termits of this world, AA made 2 mill for the last fight, not $ but EUR!

 

Tell me about it, they were screaming that Calzaghe should be bumped to #1 P4P after Pavlik/Hopkins.

 

Got a link to that? Looked like 4k in attendance and Showtime doesn't have deep pockets. If it was German TV money then Saurland showed he never wanted the fight with Pavlik because he wanted $2 mill and he wanted to keep the German TV money to boot.

 

as a pavlik fan i do see some dumb **** from pav posters.

not that the posters are dumb just some of the posts.

 

Here's what I'll say about Abraham: He'll take on anybody and ducks no one. A fighter like that is bound to get a loss or two.

A fighter who loses fights to guys who were meant to be careful match ups or low risk opponents, is expected to win those fights. A fighter like that doesn't get the same recognition in my eyes that AA should. AA went up to SMW and fought in a tournament against some of the division's best. Props to him for that.

That said, a fight between AA and Pavlik is still interesting in my opinion. Dirrell is just better than most people thought.

 

If Abraham were willing to fight anybody, and duck no one, he would have fought Fulgencio Zuniga instead of Elvin Ayala, Winky Wright instead of LuJaun Simon, and his promoter would not have made an absurd demand for a $2 million dollar guarantee to fight Pavlik.

 

lmfao...well the same can be said for kp..he could have fought pw instead of espino...works both ways man...dont use a fact when it helps u...AA wasn't scared of anyone at 160 man...He just couldn't get the bigger fights regardless...he was considered high risk and LOW REWARD...u mention the payday....i believe that 2 million was worth it at one point...especially if u bring the fight to Germany....

 

Pavlik could teabag Booradley & he would think it was awesome!

 

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It was an offer AA made to them...they could of countered or tried more to negotiate...BTW AA DIDN'T DO ANY DUCKING..IT WAS CLEAR THE FIGHT WASN'T GONNA GET MADE SO HE MOVED UP TO 168 FOR BIGGER CHALLENGES...

AA NOT SCARED OF GUYS THAT FIGHT AT 147 MAN...THATS UR BOI..AA WANTED IT AND THEY WOULD COME TO THE USA ...

OWNED EM:hi::deal

 

Abraham ducked Zuniga and fought the great Elvin Ayala, low balled Winky Wright and fought LuJaun Simon, and demanded a $2 million dollar guarantee to fight Pavlik, and then fought Pavlik's left overs.

The man has an utterly pathetic resume, he ducked at least 3 middleweights, and got his ass handed to him the very first time he fought a world class opponent. Those are the historical facts. Go ahead and keep swinging from Abraham's not sack as much as you please. It won't change history.

 

SEE ARTICLE BELOW BOORADLEY...NEXT TIME KNOW WHAT YOUR TALKINGA BOUT BEFORE U OPEN UP ...U A GOOD POSTER BUT WHEN IT COMES TO KP U JUST DONT GET THAT YOUR BOY NOT WHAT YOU THINK HE IS MAN....BHOP STOLE THAT MAN'S WILL....:deal

Who is the best middleweight

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in the world today? There are, as most fans know, only two fighters out there who could make a realistic claim to being the number-one guy at 160-pounds; Youngstown's Kelly Pavlik, the reigning WBC and Ring magazine champion, and Germany's Armenian-born Arthur Abraham, the IBF champ.

Wanting very much for these two great fighters to get it on, the fans have so far been given no reason to believe the mega-fight will happen any time soon. Certainly, Dan Rafael over at ESPN.com is not convinced the fight will take place this year. Speaking to Rafael about the fight have been Pavlik's promoter Bob Arum and Abraham's promoter Wilfried Sauerland. Both promoters have a different take on the fight the fans crave, each offering opposing reasons for why the unification fight has had a tough time being made.

Arum said a big factor in why the fight has been difficult to make is because Abraham is a fighter who is still in need of further exposure in the US.

"I'd like the Abraham people [at Sauerland] to come and sit with me and have a serious conversation," Arum said. "This is not the kind of negotiation you do over the telephone. They want $2 million, plus German television rights. What's Kelly supposed to do? Not fight for anything? What am I supposed to do? Do an event for nothing? I need the guys to sit down with me and we'll talk about it. To make it the big event it can be, you have to build up Abraham here."

Writer Rafael says in his article that he has heard, from other sources, that Abraham and his team are willing to fight Pavlik for less than $2 million. In any case, Saureland Event say they would love to take a fight with "The Ghost," and that they would be willing to travel to the US to make it happen.

"Last spring we picked up negotiations with Top Rank," Sauerland said. "We have also been in constant touch with HBO and Showtime. However, in the last couple of months Top Rank seemed to have lost their interest in a unification. Bob Arum once said that from a sporting perspective Arthur would be Pavlik's most important opponent, but that his fighter also has to think about earning money. Obviously, Arum shares the view of many experts who all believe that Pavlik would lose against Arthur."

Do the experts Abraham's promoter speaks of really feel the IBF king would beat his WBC rival? To my mind the fight is a very tough one from which to pick a winner - which is precisely the main reason so many people want to see it. Sure, any unification bout in boxing is always good news, but Pavlik-Abraham is attractive primarily because both guys are so good and that the fight would likely be a pick 'em affair were it to come off.

It would be foolish to say either middleweight is fearful of the other; these two men are both superb and confident fighters, after all. Pavlik's confidence took a catch-weight blow against Bernard Hopkins

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last October, but he is still unbeaten and a dangerously destructive force at 160 - as he showed, in a confidence restoring win over Marco Antonio Rubio, this past Saturday. And while Pavlik critics moaned about the quality of the Mexican as a challenger for Kelly, it will be Abraham's turn to accept the challenge of an overmatched foe in March, when he takes on Lajuan Simon.

Both middleweight rulers seem set to head down different paths for some time yet, unfortunately; with Pavlik apparently scheduled for a June fight against either John Duddy

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, Segio Mora, Vernon Forrest or Felix Sturm, and Abraham at present having no fight scheduled for after his March date with Simon. Both Pavlik and Abraham will almost certainly box again late in the year, but we can only cross our fingers in hope that it will be against each other. :hi:

 

LMFAO...IM NOT EVEN A BIG FAN OF AA DUMMY....IM JUST TELLIN IT IS AND YOU JUST GETTING MAD.....DONT BE ALL UPSET THAT YOUR BOY DIDN'T WANNA FIGHT A BEAST...MUTHA FU34A EVEN OFFERED TO COME TO YOUR BOYS ON BACKYARD:rofl:rofl:rofl:scaredas:

EDIT: Yea and btw u contradicting yourself...U TRIED TO TELL ME THAT I DIDN'T LIKE KELLY PAVLIK BECAUSE HE KNOCKED OUT JERMAIN WHO IS ONE OF MY FAVORITE FIGHTERS...BUT AA KNOCKED HIM TOO AND IM MORE OF A FAN OF AA NOW THAN I WAS BEFORE... DONT LIKE KELLY ANYMORE SINCE THE BHOP FIGHT..HE TAKES THE EASY PATH AND AVOIDS GOOD FIGHTERS UP UNTIL NOW...AND EVEN SO I BELIEVE BHOP TOOK WHATEVER GAME HE ONCE HAD...O N IM STILL A FAN OF JT

I dont nuthug like yourself....AA WAS WILLING TO EVEN COME TO KP'S TURF AND FIGHT HIM..WHAT MORE DOES KP WANT?:happy HE WOULDA GOT A NICE LITTLE PAYDAY....THAN YOU ***** ABOUT WILLIAMS AND THE 2 MILLION DOLLAR PAYDAY HE WANTED WITH KP AND U HATE BUT WHEN IT COMES TO AA AND THE 2 MILLION DOLLAR OFFER U DONT RECOGNIZE IT THE SAME...

deal:hi:

 

Ya right -- a guy who blatantly ducked Zuniga would fight Pavlik in Youngstownatsch

Talk is cheap. The absurd demand for a $2 million dollar guarantee tells us everything we need to know. Abrham is a flat footed "B" level slugger with a loud mouth and a smart promoter, nothing more.

 

HEY FACTS ARE FACTS...GO AHEAD AND TWIST THE WORDS HOW U WANT AND THE "TALK IS CHEAP" BULL****...LMFAO....UR IN THE MINIORITY IN THIS ONE MAN...MOST FANS ASIDE FROM KELLY PAVLIK FANS FEEL HE IS A DECENT FIGHTER NOW DAYS BUT NOTHING SPECIAL....HE IS VERY ORDINARY AND HAS VERY LITTLE GAME ABOVE 160 AS IS SHOWN FROM HIM STRUGGLING FOR 8 ROUNDS OF THE JT REMATCH AND WITH HIM GETTING SCHOOLED LIKE NO OTHER AGAINST BERNARD.....IF HE BEATS MARTINEZ THAN U CAN SAY WHAT YOU WANT BUT TILL THAN YOUR BOY IS A PROVEN *****:good