Classic Forum's take on Jones vs Hopkins II

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by rekcutnevets, Apr 2, 2010.


  1. Meast

    Meast New Member Full Member

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    if Jones would have beaten Green in his last fight it would have meant very little, with him losing it pretty much means nothing at all. I don't mind it happening though, Hopkins deserves some publicity and a good pay-day.

    I think i'll still watch it, more looking forward to Haye/Ruiz though.
     
  2. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 VIP Member

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    Can't believe i put II instead of III LOL
     
  3. dpw417

    dpw417 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    JT1 my man...it was a long time ago! haha.
     
  4. rekcutnevets

    rekcutnevets Black Sash Full Member

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    Calzaghe's pick doesn't surprise me at all, but these guys being unanimous does.

    Some of you are posting Hopkins is still relevant, but Jones isn't. What does a Jones victory do in your eyes?
     
  5. Clinton

    Clinton Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I believe it's a useless fight between a totally shot fighter(Jones) and a past it one.
     
  6. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 VIP Member

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    True, and many drinks :lol:
     
  7. Stonehands89

    Stonehands89 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It could be an interesting spectacle about what happens when two great boxers of proximate age meet past prime and one is a technician and the other an athlete. My thesis is an old one: All else being roughly equal, the technician should take apart the athlete once those powers of youth have dissipated. Boxing is a skills sport more than an athletic sport, which is why their peak age is usually later than other athletes.

    There are qualifiers to the experiment tonight. Jones' chin is highly suspect. I think it is as hard as a bubble bath. His punch, however, is as hard as Chinese math. Hopkins, by contrast, isn't punching anywhere near as hard like he used to. But he places shots better... like to the liver.

    It could stink the joint out. It depends on Bernard. If Bernard wants to emphatically avenge that Jones loss, he will go after Jones -but he'll do it later when Jones' thunder is less because he is naturally careful. He may stop him late -possibly with a body shot, or he will take a decision if Jones gets on wheels to avoid a fourth humiliation.
     
  8. rekcutnevets

    rekcutnevets Black Sash Full Member

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    I'm sorry guys, I give Jones way more chance than most of you. This fight is near 50/50 in my mind. I'm thinking either fighter has a chance to really show up the other.

    Hopkins has great timing. Hopkins is very capable of finishing this fight at any time after a well timed counter. Hopkins also has a very good jab. Though he is not a southpaw; Hopkins could trouble Jones similar to the way Tarver did. If Hopkins gets his jab going, he will win.

    A lot of people are overlooking Jones' athletic advantages over Hopkins. Hopkins has to be able to impose his jab, or hope for a well timed counter. Jones has a lot more hand speed and power than Hopkins. Jones will win handily if he can take away Hopkins' jab, and avoid the big counter.

    It may be due to so many people completely writing Jones off, but I'm leaning towards Roy at this point. We will soon find out.
     
  9. Gesta

    Gesta Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I have a feeling that Roy will pull a close upset dec'. Hopkins has always had trouble with speed, with Jones still has. Jones chin is gone but Hopkins does not have the one shot power or the high output to ko Jones.

    Will not be watching though as they should have fought years ago, the boat has sailed.
     
  10. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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  11. My dinner with Conteh

    My dinner with Conteh Tending Bepi Ros' grave again Full Member

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    The least significant revenge win since Duran's UD over Pat Lawlor.
     
  12. ChrisPontius

    ChrisPontius March 8th, 1971 Full Member

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    I lost a ton of respect for Hopkins with his pathetic acting.

    THE ****ING REFEREE TOOK A POINT AWAY ON THE FIRST FOUL JUST BECAUSE HE TOOK A KNEE!! This could start a trend in boxing where they start whining like little ****s whenever a minor foul is committed. I thought Dirrel vs AA was suspect, but this was such a blatant acting job. I forgave him one time against Calzaghe, but now he did the same ****, three times, against a guy he was easily beating!

    Don't get me wrong, i'm all for penalizing rabbit punching. But do it fair and constantly. Don't reward acting and start the ****ing count when he takes a knee.


    What annoys me most is the hypocrisy. He cries about fouls yet throws more headbutts, low blows and does more clinching than any fighter. Yet when someone else commits the smallest foul, the ring is filled with his tears :| Old school and tough my ass. He's a crafty, lame, cheating hypocrite.


    Sorry JT. ;) But anyone who follows football (soccer) will know that it has been RUINED by this kind of play acting, in the time stretch of a decade or less. Hopkins might have started a trend. :-(
     
  13. horst

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    What the **** were u thinking??? :nut

    Have you been in a coma for the last SEVEN YEARS????
     
  14. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Very depressing. They should both hang em up.
     
  15. rekcutnevets

    rekcutnevets Black Sash Full Member

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    Hey, over a third of the people watching thought Jones won. What else can I say?

    Seriously though, Jones didn't fight a smart fight. I don't know that he could have won, but Jones could have done better. When Jones was a young man with something to prove, he didn't mind letting the crowd boo by remaining cautious. I never thought he would just follow Hopkins around at times. Jones was still a lot faster, but Hopkins did a good job of preventing Jones from finding a rhythm. The only part of his game plan I liked was when he worked his right uppercut when Hopkins held him. Jones didn't have legs to move like he did against Toney, but he looked to have enough legs to move a little and create angles.

    It takes a lot of effort to punch like Jones, so that's why I don't know if he could have won following the right game plan. Jones may not have the stamina for enough offensive output to take a decision in that type of fight.

    Did anyone notice how big Hopkins looked compared to Jones? I know he has a height and reach advantage, but Hopkins is simply bigger. Jones looked like he was the same size he was in '93 facing a man 2 divisions larger.