Ruiz Knockdowns Issue

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  1. lewishamboy

    lewishamboy Styles Impetuous Full Member

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    I need to rewatch the fight, but I'm pretty sure every time Ruiz hit the canvas, some twat OUTSIDE the ring would start the count with a loudspeaker/mic...

    This included several times where Ruiz went down as a result of clear rabbit punches, and the referee was not given time to judge whether or not the KDs were legitimate. Is this legal?? 2 of these were not knockdowns imo but because this guy started counting so early the referee was forced into calling the KD...

    :blood


    Or maybe i'm tripping and the referee had a mic?
     
  2. The Kurgan

    The Kurgan Boxing Junkie banned

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    They're called "timekeepers" and they're a normal part of boxing.
     
  3. Boxed Ears

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    Pongsaklek Wonjongkam.
     
  4. lewishamboy

    lewishamboy Styles Impetuous Full Member

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    So timekeepers decide whether or not the knockdowns are legitimate??
     
  5. jc333

    jc333 Active Member Full Member

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    The words straws and clutching, spring to mind...:rofl
     
  6. lewishamboy

    lewishamboy Styles Impetuous Full Member

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    Nah i wanted haye to win, i'm just not a big fan of fighters getting rewarded for fouls :deal
     
  7. jc333

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    Fair enough.

    I could understand all of this controversy thing if Ruiz had been "robbed" or if it had been a close fight and he had not been turning his back and Haye had maliciously thrown illegal blows.

    Yes, Ruiz fought bravely and came to win but he was fairly comprehensively beaten.

    He wasn't exactly squeaky clean himself. The bell usually signals the end of a round.

    A little cool thinking is required.
     
  8. Punisher33

    Punisher33 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    When a fighter turns his back to his oppenent, it's up to the ref to warn them and or take a point away. Haye only fouled once, and that was the first time where he was looking to finish Ruiz off in the first round. That happens alot when a fighter is over eager. Sam Peter often times does it, seeing that his overhand right is his bread and butter.

    I seen the other times, and those rabbit punches were a result of Ruiz turning his head/back to his oppenent. Haye was doing his job, and did what he had to do. Foreman did the same to Frazier and Hagler did the same to Hearns. A fighter shouldn't have to wait for his scared oppenent to turn around so he could throw a punch again. Thats just ******ed.
     
  9. The Kurgan

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    No: their job is to count how long someone has been down, regardless of whether or not they were knocked down, slipped or whatever. If the ref decides that there was a KD, he picks up the count from them.
     
  10. WiDDoW_MaKeR

    WiDDoW_MaKeR ESB Hall of Fame Member Full Member

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    This happens all the time. They start the count for the ref as the ref makes sure that the other boxer gets to his corner, ect... and then the ref picks up from where they left off. The ref has the option of waiving off the count and ruling it a slip or a foul if he so chooses.
     
  11. lewishamboy

    lewishamboy Styles Impetuous Full Member

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    Cool that's as i thought....so do they normally have mics/loudspeakers like they did tonight??
     
  12. Machine

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    :good Problem solved
     
  13. Machine

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    :lol: Exactly.
     
  14. lewishamboy

    lewishamboy Styles Impetuous Full Member

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    There was one instance where the knockdown was "called" by the timekeeper, followed by the ref. The ref then immediately proceeded to dock Haye a point for rabbit punching. So why did the ref call the kd?
     
  15. jc333

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    I can only imagine that Ruiz was judged to have been KD'd by the first punch (the one where he was slumped over the ropes. he was actually given a standing count.) and that Haye was then Docked a point for the subsequent punch.