Real Life Rocky - Holmes vs Weaver I

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  1. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    What a fight this is!

    Not heard it talked baout on here, so I thought I would bring it up and get some of your views.

    Holmes starts fast and looks good boxing behind his jab and lateral movement, he starts to turn up the pace and lands combinations and by the end of round 3 looks in clear controll.

    With Holmes winning the fight he comes out storming for round 4 letting loose dazzling combinations as he backs up Weaver, however Weaver is a tough hombre and Holmes tires badly from his attack. Weaver sensing his oppertunity presses the tired Holmes and hurts him near the bell.

    Holmes is still tired after round 4 and takes more of a beating from Weaver in round 5 and seriously looks to be on the verge of losing. He comes back fairly well in round 6 but Weaver is still on top with his pressure.

    Holmes finally recovers and gets back to his boxing in rounds 7,8 and 9. He looks to have regained himself but now looks less eager to try for the KO against Weaver. Content to win the rounds.

    In the 10th Holmes pace drops slightly and Weaver ups his workrate, he hurts Holmes badly near the end of the round and sustains his attack but Holmes is looking very badly hurt as the bell rings.

    The 11th is awesme as both men come out winging but Holmes is still hurt and tired as Weaver looks to knock him out. Weaver badly hurts Holmes near the end of the round and looks to finish him off when he is dropped by a huge right uppercut. He amazingly gets up.

    Holmes comes out for the 12th and quickly backs Weaver to the tropes and lands some hard shots to force a stoppage.


    What I love about this fight is the shifts in momentum. Holmes looks to be greta but then is hurt and tired but comes back well and Weaver starts to batter him. Just when it looks like Holmes is gone he nearly KO's Weaver who miraciously gets up. Its just a brilliant fight.

    It is not close on the scorecards but it really is competitve and Weaver has an excellant chance of winning.

    Scorecard

    Holmes: 1,2,3,4,7,8,9,11
    Weaver: 5,6,10 KD'd 11
    Total: 107-101 Holmes (8-3)

    Thoughts?
     
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  2. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    Yeh definitly Holmes was more skilled, but to me he was underprepared that night and this combined with Weavers will made it a great fight.
     
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  3. he grant

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    Holmes has always said he had the flu coming into this bout and would have cancelled if he had any clue how tough Weaver turned out to be ... Weaver really was a journeyman at he time, with multiple knockout losses on his record coming into the bout ... he was one of the few men who could claim to have been stopped by both Bobicks ... while physically imposing, no one gave him a shot in hell against Holmes ... the fight was considered such a mismatch that prime time networks would not cover it, very rare in those days as Holmes last four fights had been televised prime time ... HBO picked it up because Duran/Palomino on the undercard was he real draw ...

    Anyway, this underappreiated gem may be the most pivotal bout of Holmes' career. He was not a popular champion then in his third title defense. Don King was still not sold on him. Larry was sick, Weaver highly motivated and almost won the bout ... Holmes dug deep and took him out. If Holmes loses this fight who knows when he gets another shot. Larry showed tremendous heart in this bout and Weaver redefined his career ..
     
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  4. janitor

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    Holmes should get more credit for this fight.

    On paper Weaver was the best of the era apart from Holmes himself.
     
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  5. SuzieQ49

    SuzieQ49 The Manager Full Member

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    This was a solid win for Holmes. But at the same time, it exposed Holmes major flaw of being a sucker for right hands. A flaw Joe Louis would have capitalized on and murdered holmes with. Earnie Shavers admitted he requested a rematch with holmes because of this fight. Larry must have been hit with a 100 right hands this fight.
     
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  6. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    Really? Weaver wasnt very highly regarded going into the bout.

    When you say he was a sucker for right hands, you are correct.

    But it wasnt as though Holmes was getting tagged by right hand leads, because he wasnt. Weaver was setting up the right hands with left hooks before throwing them. Thats what made them work. And Frazier would like that alot.
     
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  7. Bummy Davis

    Bummy Davis Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Weaver was not highly regarded going into this bout he had a 19-8 record and was s topped and beaten many times. He had a KO over Mercado but the Holmes fight gave him confidence and he improved after the Holmes fight.
     
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  8. he grant

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    If Holmes git hit with 100 right hands he must have the greatest chin of all time because Weaver had one punch KO power with either hand ... the talk of Holmes and right hands is quite a bit overrated ...
     
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  9. Muchmoore

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    :good

    However a rematch should of happened considering the immense difficulty Holmes had and Weaver's success after this fight.
     
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  10. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    It did.
     
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  11. Muchmoore

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    :lol:
     
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  12. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    And we were moaning about Jones Jr and Hopkins fighting a meaningless fight...
     
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  13. My dinner with Conteh

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    :dead
     
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  14. he grant

    he grant Historian/Film Maker

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    Which was as meanigful as his win over Butterbean ....

    Holmes was in no rush for a rematch since many saw he fight as a fluke and Larry was on to bigger money fights ... the Shavers rematch and then a buildup to an Ali fight ... of course Holmes could have had a rematch between Shavers 2 and Ali but Weaver became an alphabet champ by then and all the b.s. politics were involved regarding unification garbage. In addition, Holmes did not squek out a disputed decision. He did knock Weaver out so it was a conclusive win ...Weaver did not hold the title long and after his loss to Dokes, as poor as the stopage was, he was massaged out of the picture by Team King which was at the height of it's vile reign ...
     
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  15. JohnThomas1

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    True enough.
     
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