I wasn't impressed with Haye at all...

Discussion in 'British Boxing Forum' started by Strike, Apr 4, 2010.


  1. Son of Gaul

    Son of Gaul Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Well I was pretty impressed. I think many people will try to discredit Haye by saying that Ruiz is 38 but...
     
  2. threethirteen

    threethirteen Boxing Addict Full Member

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    That you parade that list as some sort of mark of quality. Johnson, Arreola and Johnson...

    Sigh... is this what qualifies as a top 25 HW of all time resume?
     
  3. SouthpawSlayer

    SouthpawSlayer Im coming for you Full Member

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    i think last night really showed that haye has absolutely no chance against either wlad or vitali, even though vitali's chin is far more solid than his brothers i think haye has a better chance against vitali by using his boxing skill and outboxing him, vitali has looked so stiff lately im surprised he doesnt get arrested for indecent exposure
     
  4. jdawg

    jdawg Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Hmmm cant think of too many unified champs and 2 weight world champs to have defended his title on his 25TH FIGHT! This guy has gone from a quick fisted banger who gassed out and got sparked by a blown up super middle to a genuinely hard punching, exciting heavyweight who with Adam Booth shows he can stick to a gameplan nicely.

    As for last night, Haye admitted himself he got caught up with the adrenaline of the occasion and therefore it didnt go perfectly. He did get caught with a couple of shots but he rode the punches and was never hit flush. For me his footwork was exemplary, he showed good tactical nouse in not getting cornered and fired his jab so accurately it set up some beautiful hard shots. Guys his accuracy was around 40%, im aware Ruiz is no defensive genius but nevertheless in a heavyweight title fight thats incredible.

    Like him or hate him hes great for british boxing and the heavyweight division as we have someone who'l be at the very least active against the Klitschkos
     
  5. AndrewFFC

    AndrewFFC Well-Known Member Full Member

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    His stamina is of some concern to me too, perhaps its down to his training.
    Most heavyweights, like Ruiz are 12 rounds ready but not physically cut at all. I think Haye may well be doing too much muscle training to the detriment of stamina.

    He just jus really throw more then ones twos and threes. At one point he had Ruiz in the corner after unleashing a combo. Then he just poppoed a low jab out then eventually let him get out without throwing anything else.

    If he faces Vitlala he may well have to decision him, and if he is to do that he will have to be a whole lot more busy.
     
  6. Strike

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    Right...well I've been a huge boxing fan since I was a kid and I've written reports for several sites. I wont claim I know more or less than the next man, but to start spouting off about how I need another sport is pretty poor. I was touting Haye when he was an amateur, and if you look at my profile I have him listed as my favourite fighter. I was dissapointed in how he looked. Stopping Ruiz in 9 is a great result. But that is the result existing outside of the fight and what I watched. He had the speed and power to stop him far earlier, he went 9 rounds because he was wild when he had his man going, lazy when his poor stamina was in effect and because he did not utilise a great jab more often.

    I couldn't give a **** what the yanks would be doing if he was their man. I thought Groves looked brilliant. I think Bellew looks very very good indeed and ask anyone who posted on Seconds Out back in 1999 and I was tipping Hatton to make waves.
    I will hopefully be proved totally wrong about Haye vs the Klit brothers, but my criticism is down to what I believe he is capable of and the natural ability he has and not some anti winner crap that some Brits have.

    I'm pleased he has got to where he is and I think he KOs Adamek. I think he has already proven his worth but this is not a case of slagging off a winner, it is a case of watching someone with miles more ability, speed, power etc than his opponent and feeling that he does things that make his night harder and that will ultimately be his downfall against the men he aims to fight.

    That is criticism, it is not blind hatred. You judge each fighter by their ability. I think Jamie Moore is a legend in British boxing. I would never criticise Clinton Woods for losing to RJJ. I think it is more than fair to criticise Haye for the myriad flaws he showed against Ruiz. And I think my attitude is more likely to benefit his camp than the attitude of be happy where he has got and "haye you're the man" that some fans seem to feel is a duty.
     
  7. threethirteen

    threethirteen Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I think though, Strike, it's the fact you say you weren't impressed with Haye AT ALL that's rubbed some the wrong way. I see where you're coming from, but there were some things to be commended in that performance. He did more right than wrong.
     
  8. Neverchair

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    Cant we just give this guy a pat on the back for a great win over a good opponent?

    Im so fed up of seeing Haye get a shellacking on the general forum only to come to the British forum (who you'd think might be a bit more sympathetic) and hear people nit-picking what was an excellent performance.

    Give the bloke a ****ing break!

    If you have your worries, then fine, but at least finish on a positive which is what this fight was for Haye.
     
  9. JonOli

    JonOli Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Haye seems to have very surprisingly grown on the Americans, but surprisingly lost a bit of credence with the British: most odd.
     
  10. No Fear

    No Fear Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Same here.

    A few of the girls in my office mentioned last night's fight during the week gone. Do you think they knew Klitschko fought Eddie Chambers just a week or so beforehand?
     
  11. Strike

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    Yeah in hindsight the title was the wrong choice. Obviously there were lots of impressive things, the speed, the power etc...but those are things I take as a given for Haye. But the thread title was a bad choice.

    Fair enough. The General Forum is full of twats and although there are some very good posters there, they are drowned out by the sea of idiots. I get annoyed seeing pathetic crap about Haye being a dirty fighter or a fraud and the constant nonsense about him ducking the Klit brothers is typical of the cretins on the GF.

    I was dissapointed by him last night, based on what I feel he can do and based on how I had hoped he would progress by now. But my thread title has obviously put a tone to my comments that I didn't want and that makes it look as if I was just looking to slate him.
     
  12. anjawnaymiz

    anjawnaymiz Can we get Ivan Dychko some momentum Full Member

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    well done to haye last night. i reckon he beats most at heavyweight but im still struggling to see him beat either klitshko, unless vitali grows old overnight or haye is able to land on vlad i cant see him beating either, not when your getting wobbled by a ruiz jab in the 1st round?
     
  13. djoc175

    djoc175 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Stupid post. Do you think some random girls in Ukraine knew David Haye was fighting Ruiz?
     
  14. kosaros

    kosaros Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I was thinking the same thing when I watched it live, but I just watched it again and it looked like Haye was just caught square on in my opinion.
     
  15. Rick Flair chop

    Rick Flair chop WOOOO! Full Member

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    Is that the punch he bounced off the ropes with? If it is i thought it was more to do with being square on as well didn't looked shaken at all to me afterwards anyway

    I thought haye looked good. His defence will need a lot of tightening up that round where Ruiz landed 6 or 7 jabs in a row was especially bad. His stamina as already pointed out is the most worrying for me at the minute.