How does Pavlik Beat Martinez?

Are you crazy!!??

How could you say Pavlik is a lot harder to hit than PW yet most of Pavliks recent opponents have hit Pavlik on on higher percentage!:huh Miguel Espino hit Pavlik nearly 50% of the time(check the damn stats)

PW has better head movement and more athleticism than KP!!

I hope your not basing your "defensive" argument on PW's last fight because PW always had problems with lefties!!!!!

 

This why people don't respect Kermits comments!!!

Even when he has the opportunity to be objective or even be fair he still is gonna find something to question any boxer who isn't Pavlik!!!

How could you even question who is quicker between PW and KP!!!!!:-(

 

Lopsided decision ahn? So Kelly outworks a guy like Taylor in the rematch and loses to a SWW like Martinez?... Martinez has good footwork and excellent sense of distance but he keeps his hands down and depends too much on feints to come in and explore angles to nail his opponents with big hooks. Kelly has just to jab him and go for it once this guy is set for a straight right blaster. In the worst of scenarios, he (KP) wins a close decision.

 

That's true. There is no maybe about it. It seems he is incapable of outright stating that Pavlik is inferior to another boxer in some ways.

 

As an amatuer Pavlik amassed a record of 89-9, won multiple national titles, and made the Olympic Trials at a mere 17 years of age. He was eventually eliminated by Jermain Taylor. JT went on to win a bronze medal in the 2000 Olympics, and Pavlik signed with Top Rank and fought his first pro fight that year.

The experience gap between Pavlik and Martinez is to enormous to ignore. Pavlik won his first national title at 147 right around the same time Martinez started boxing!

The first time Martinez tried to take a step up in class he got obliterated by Margarito, and then all but disappeared for nearly 9 years. The first time Pavlik stepped up in class he scored consecutive stoppage wins over Zuniga, McKart, Zertuche, Miranda, and Jermain Taylor. Sergio's big claims to fame consist of a controversial draw with Cintron, and a loss to Williams; both of whom are natural welterweights. Pavlik ran right over two guys who were the biggest and best middleweights in the world at fight time. The difference in experience and class between these two ought to be obvious.

The first and most obvious thing is Martinez's general lack of sound fundamentals. For example he does not keep his hands up or place his hands in a proper defensive position when he is under attack and getting tagged. Pavlik will attack, and Martinez will get tagged.

On the same note, Martinez does occassioanally keep his hands up near his chin, but he often drops them while he is still in his opponents effective firing range, and gets hit. That is definitely not a good idea when Pavlik is your opponent.

The idea that such a highly regarded fighter makes the mistakes I've seen Martinez make is actually a bit shocking. His jab is often almost humorous. He frequently sticks his right hand out in the middle of nowhere, and just sort of waves it around aimlessly, and then he paws, pushes, and telegraphs his jab. This leaves Martinez with little means of keeping Pavlik off of him. It also presents one more opportunity for Pavlik to hit Martinez with right hand bombs.

And speaking of right hands, Martinez leaves himself open to hard right hands so much of the time one has to wonder if he even knows how to defend against a good right hand. If Cintron and Williams can blast Martinez with right hands, trust me, Pavlik will hit him more times with bigger right hands.

Martinez spends so much time show boating and taunting his opponents that I honestly believe that taking away his ability to do that would take him way out of his comfort zone. Pavlik will stay right in Sergio's grill, force him to fight, and force him to keep his hands up, or get blasted.

Martinez loves to rush in and throw a lead left. However, he tends to telegrah what he is doing, and he comes straight in. If he does that against Pavlik, he'll get caught with a really brutal jab/right-hand nearly everytime.

In my opinion Sergio's best punch is his right hook. However, he does not do a great job of setting it up. He usually just rushes in with his face hanging out, and throws. This is a very predictable pattern. If Martinez is coming in from your left side, he will throw a right hook. Look for KP to take one short step to his own right, throw a short overhand right followed by a left uppercut, and then take a step back and hit a stunned Martinez with a good 1-2. I hate to be so specific in this type of post, but I honestly believe this might be the show stopper.

Martinez spends a god awful amount of time circling the wrong way. For a guy who is proned to getting hit with right hands circling directly into a Pavlik lead right is probably a very bad idea.

Pavlik's flaws have been cussed and discussed on ESB ad nauseum. Most people seem to literally have blinders on when it comes to Martinez's flaws. They are many, and they are the kind of flaws that get fighters knocked the **** out by Kelly Pavlik. The round depends a great deal on how aggressive Martinez is. If he is as aggresive as he was with Cintron and/or Williams, he won't see the end of eight.

 

The only way Hermit would ever say anything remotely negative about Pavlik, would be if Pavlik stole his unemployment check.

And then, maybe?

 

How? He keeps him at the end of his jab all night, then rocks him to sleep with a big right.

 

Personally I don't think it will happen that way. Pavlik's fight plan seems to be predicated on left hooks and lead rights, not the jab/right hand routine. In addition, I can't really see KP keeping Martinez on the end of his jab in the first half. It would be better to let Sergio inside, and then act like the bigger man and beat the **** out of him.

 

On the contrary...Pavliks gonna knock his head off. Thats more like it.

 

And my check, too!

 

Here's how Pavlik can win. Work the jab consistantly from the outside, and don't follow Martinez around the ring and let himself be turned. No good can come of that, especially when Sergio starts to use his handspeed to bounce shots that come from unorthodox angles. Use the uppercut on the inside, and work the body as much as possible to slow Martinez down. And be patient...He's not going to steam roll Martinez in the first few rounds and is probably going to have to grind out a stoppage in the championship rounds if he wants to win inside the distance.

Here's how Martinez wins. Use his legs to create angles, and to close the distance suddenly when he choose to attack. Double his jab on the way in in order to set up the power shots. Do NOT stand directly in front of Pavlik, and allow him the chance to fire away with combinations, and then turn and bounce the hook on the way out. Lather, rince, repeat.

Nice thing about this s that I can envision scenarios in which both fighters impliment their game plans, and win the fight as a result. This isn't a gimme for either fighter, and that's what makes it one of the more attractive match-ups of the year, imo.

 

He's from Ohio, so he wins instantly.

Best fighter ever.

 

Very simple. "He Wont". He is much to robotic and Martinez is a real slick boxer with true boxing skills. Martinez by UD or corrupt judging will take place. :deal

 

I think Kelly's defense is under rated because he takes shots that he doesn't feel are 'of consequence'. He is a fighter first and it doesn't bother him to mix it up some. It may be a matter of Kelly allowing him to get close so he can land his own shots against the shorter guy.

Say what you will about Espino, the kid was tough but you see what happened when he tried to fight inside Kelly's range. Kelly worked his body well. I can see the same thing happening when Martinez closes. I don't see him getting in and out without taking damage. I wouldn't be surprised to see Martinez get on his tricycle after feeling what he is up against.

But, it is a fight. The Cintron fight is probably a better indication of what to expect from Martinez than the Williams fight. The safest bet to take is that Kelly won't fight him anything like Williams did.

 

I'm rooting for Martinez. But I believe Pavlik is gonna KO him and it's gonna be pretty bad. I'm not a Pav fan but I have a feeling he will shut some Williams fans up.