Skills and Weaknesses

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  1. EleventhHour

    EleventhHour Got Dat Black & Gold Soul Full Member

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    I'm always interested to get people's takes on these, especially people who know more about boxing than me. So here's my challenge:

    In brief, direct, simple terms, what are the pros/cons of various fighters? For example:

    Paul Williams:

    Pros- Output, endless stamina, chin (yes, CHIN), heart, size advantage

    Cons- Doesn't fight his size, willingness to trade, sloppy punches, easy to hit

    Miguel Cotto (the old one, at least):

    Pros- Jab, body attack, heart, footwork, ring generalship

    Cons- Cuts easily, badly damaged from Margo, not particularly well-trained

    Edwin Valero:

    Pros- Ludicrous power, underrated footwork, tenacity

    Cons- Open mouth, sloppiness, mental fortitude

    etc etc

    I'd be interested in seeing specifically what you guys think of Tim Bradley, Devon Alexander, and, well, pretty much anybody.

    Have at it.
     
  2. Thread Stealer

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    I'd also add Cotto's vulnerability to the uppercut as a weakness. For his strengths, combination punching. He throws crisp compact combinations.
     
  3. zicas

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    Manny Pacquiao
    Strengths: Speed, Power, Footwork and Workrate
    Weaknesses: Relatively easy to hit. Chin held up high. Needles...
     
  4. EleventhHour

    EleventhHour Got Dat Black & Gold Soul Full Member

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    This is NOT allowed to turn into a stupid ****ing Pacquiao/Mayweather argument.

    Back to your regularly scheduled thread. :D
     
  5. BagsWithDust

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    Zab Judah
    Pros: Tremendous speed, good boxing ability and defense (sometimes), heart and power
    Cons: Low stamina, gets broken down easily and doesnt stayed focused enough
    But i still like Judah.

    Mike Tyson
    Pros: Incredible speed, power, defense, relentless offense, everything a fighter needed
    Cons: When cus d'amato passed away everything went downhill, no focus (later in his career)
     
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    Amir Khan
    Pros: Speed, stamina, good power, good jab and ring generalship
    Cons: inexperience to high level fights, suspect chin, Over confidence

    JMM
    pros: Counter punching machine, great recuperating power, technicality
    cons: slow at(140+), slow starter, age, prone to KD's
     
  7. BigReg

    BigReg Broad Street Bully Full Member

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    I believe Tyson was 19 when Cus died.
     
  8. BagsWithDust

    BagsWithDust Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Did he? I remember in his documentary that he said once cus died he started to lose his focus and disipline. Tyson did good for a while but i think with cus he would of stayed more focused and complete.
     
  9. mrtony80

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    Floyd Mayweather
    Pros: Quick hands and feet, near perfect defensively, solid chin, patience, stamina, ring generalship among best in history.
    Cons: Tends to be too passive at times; sometimes relies too much on defense, and not enough on offense, puts too much emphasis on being undefeated, and not enough on fighting the best.

    Roy Jones
    Pros: Still can get crowd excited when he ACTS like he is about to do something, still has a cool looking, albeit ineffective offensive stance, after being KO'd 3 times, and brutalized twice, still shows he has heart
    Cons: Fragile chin, doesn't exert himself offensively enough, hasn't adapted to his age like Hopkins, makes too many excuses for loses, not great at adapting to styles
     
  10. BigReg

    BigReg Broad Street Bully Full Member

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    Cus definately died before Tyson won the HW championship. Tyson was a trainwreck. He was destined to get himself into trouble. He avoided it early in his career because he fought so often. Cus would've only delayed the inevitable.
     
  11. Thread Stealer

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    Tyson peaked 2-3 years after Cus died. Tyson was just a prospect when Cus died.

    If he'd lived I think Tyson would've maintained on top a little while longer, but there was only so much that Cus would've been able to prevent. Tyson was just a headcase.

    As far as weaknesses for Tyson goes (we all know his strengths), he could lose focus and discipline in terms of moving his head in the latter rounds. He showed vulnerability to the uppercut, as you might expect from a short swarmer. He could be real lazy on the inside. Despite his size and lack of range, he wasn't what you call a real inside fighter. He did his best work at mid range or while coming inside. Once while inside, he lacked the polish of a real skilled inside fighter like a Bowe.
     
  12. EleventhHour

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    Also, once he stopped using Kevin Rooney as his trainer he stopped using the peekaboo defense and head movement and just starting headhunting and looking for the knockout.
     
  13. Thread Stealer

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    He got lazier with his defense, also with the jab, but was still a good bodypuncher. He absolutely destroyed Ruddock's body.
     
  14. mrtony80

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    "lazier"? maybe I'm just drunk...
     
  15. Urone2

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    Mike Tyson went down hill when he got with Don king and left Kevin Rooney. Kevin Rooney continued to train Tyson in Cus's style, he trained a Junior Welter by the name of Ricky Meyers in the same style. I don't know if you can find him on youtube, Ricky Meyers was little tyson minus the power. He was a USA Network headliner.