Danny Green.... Open letter to RJJ

Someone who is competitive against anybody in their weight division as in the sense no one can just steam roll them or brush them aside. It's hard to quantify "world class" as everyone has a different opinion but you could also look at the attributes of a boxer in comparison to other boxers e.g. speed, movement etc

Your mum vs sister trilogy was indeed world class.

 

Our naive young friend, the yardstick is RESULTS.

Speed, movement & false bravado aint worth jack**** if you don't get the RESULTS!

It 'aint synchronised swimming FSS!

Endeth the lesson sonny.

 

Mate, "opinions" should only relate to potential.

It's pretty much a no-brainer in the game that to be classified as "World class" there has to be a constant & open offer to fight anyone that is in that group & who got there with decisive victories over quality fighters.
That's the criteria.

If we are to judge this on how many fights a man has won & not who he's beaten, then it's just a house of cards.

A good modern example of this constant elevation is Mick Katsidas. Check his record on Boxrec. It really old style acendancy.

 

Kinda like the way you discuss your fighter here.

Pot, kettle, black.

 

Kats is certainly a good example Rodin.

He is one of the last of the guys who actually box for sport, and will fight anyone, any time. Sure he loves the money. But he's there to put himself to the test, and thrives on the contest just as much as the reward.

We've had a proud history of that type of fighter, and to my mind Carrothers, Barry Michael, and domestically blokes like Frankie Ropis exemplify that spirit and bravery.

Sadly, that brave fighter has been largely replaced by businessmen in gloves, who tiptoe around obstacles instead of crashing through them.

 

"World Class" means exactly that.....it's very easy to quantify and even a layman in boxing recognises the differrence which you cannot put your finger on.

"World Class", by it's own definition it implies fighting at the world level againgst international competitors.

To achieve "World Class" being attributed to an athlete of any sport it is expected that they are an elite athlete elevated to this position by virtue of being an outstanding performer at the domestic level whereby the domestic level athletes are of no beneficial competition.

To maintain "World Class" your are expected to be competing consistantly againgst your peers at that level. This is to maintain the elite tag.

Ability and skill accounts for nothing and "World Class" should not apply to an athlete of any sport unless they are consitantly presenting themselves for the ultimate test of competition at the same elite level of competition, "World Class".

It is vague and simplistic to simply offer a comparison between athletes ability and skill to fathom whether there is a "World Class" element.

If this is not understood stick to country line dancing.

 

Glad to see you vary what type of stick you get the wrong end of, today you have chosen the yardstick. atsch

Marquez must not be world class if he didn't get the result from his pacquiao, john, mayweather fights judging by your twisted logic and unique perception of the sport you profess to be a fan of.
I don't know which circus you escaped from but they are missing on hell of a clown.

I good just put "in your opinion" for my response, but seeing as you don't seem to be a bile spewing poster I will elaborate.

I know I've already cited marquez to the guy above but he is an example of a guy who has narrowly lost to pacquiao, chris john pbf etc.

Rightly so he is deemed a "world class" fighter however I could nitpick at pacquiao's record (cotto damaged, oscar weight drained, morales shot) or pbf's record (hatton too small, oscar shot etc). So if you consider a guy to be world class on who he fights it still comes down to opinion and ultimately the top tier fighters are there because of their top tier skills.

Too much emphasis is placed on records but then again that dismisses the opponents of the likes of mayweather and calzaghe so again it comes down to opinion.

I've got all of the katsidis fights that are readily available and I really admire his style and heart etc but his path hasn't made him automatically world class, in my opinion he is, but anyone could argue he was knocked out by an old casamayor, beaten by diaz coming off a ko, fighting the likes of earl and now a largely unheralded mitchell after beating an old chavez and a green escobedo.

The notion of "world class" is only opinion and always will be, and that is why the fans of the sport have these forums for debate and discussion. It's similiar to the notion of "pound for pound".

 

Good analogy BCN.

Oh, and go easy with our young friend. Once he realises he doesn't know everything, he might actually learn something!

 

I don't think he was angling for a hatton fight for sport or marquez for that matter as both mean big paydays and he turned down a fight on HBO because the guy was unheard of. It seems you judge more on personality than any concrete evidence.

Your ridiculous logic has already been addressed in my longer post. I will address your horrific attempt at a put down fresh from the 1920's when dance halls were still in existence, I imagine you can quickly clear a room when you start firing out your one liners in social situations, I hear the tumbleweeds won't even turn up to a party when you are the host.

I don't profess to know everything, just you honestly seem to be unable to grasp simplistic points and make me look like a genius.

 

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Ditto.

The young fella's obviously wagging school today.

 

can't argue with the facts?

It's funny your mouth always seems to dry up after I make you see sense. atsch


Goodnight, I'm expecting something written that is ill informed and dross from you in the morning.:hi::hi::hi::hi:

 

That should have read:

'It's funny your mouth always seems to dry up after I make sense.'

...and in my 'defence' that's not very often sonny!

It's hard to put an old head on young shoulders - maturity will come for you in time, but if you learnt to listen it could come that bit quicker!

You have two ears and though a big one, only one mouth - LEARN TO PAY ATTENTION MORE!

 

gee Jeff is up to his old tricks again.after wrongly predicting all his fighters and Echols to beat Mundine hes now turning his atention to Green.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/danny-green-sees-red-on-fight/story-e6frf9if-1225849316699
let it go Jeff you are the best home grown boxer we've had
but your predictons rarely come true.still bitter about dumping Green to join the Tyson circus and missing out on the Mundine pay day.atsch

 

Hard to disagree with you SM.

Jeff's best years and best form were certainly when he was in the ring.