Chris Bryd TKO 10 Vitali Klitschko- Let's revist round 9

As does Louis-Schmeling I, as does Ali-Frazier I, Ali-Norton I, Ali-Spinks I, as does Johnson-Choynski, Johnson-Hart, Johnson-O'Brien, Johnson-Willard, as does Tyson-Douglas, Tyson-Holyfield I & II, Tyson-Lewis... Yes, they are all taken into consideration. However, I think Klitschko-Byrd is being over-emphasized here.

 

I completely understand SQ's point. I do believe that somehow Vital suffered from a cultural screw up ... this is exactly why he went so hardcore against Lennox, he learned his lesson ... he has never shown anything less since so I can just ay he screwed up ...

 

I beleive you are correct ,he seemed at great pains to show he did not want to quit against Lennox,, it appeared he was seeking redemption to me.

 

Vitaly did the pragmatic and wise thing although in a dog eat dog sport like boxing that obviously did not fly with many on here. The fighters with the most heart in history are Irish-american. Name one irishman who has ever quit. I challenge anyone to name one.

When Max Schmelling fought the great Mickey Walker he told the referee that he refused to hit this man any more. Walker suffered a savage beating but refused to capitulate.

Joe Louis said that James J Braddock was the toughest man he ever fought.

Irish Mickey Ward's heart was legendary - no explanation needed.

Jerry Quarry was being battered by Ken Norton in their 1975 fight. He waved Norton in and Norton was getting arm weary from punishing Quarry. Cynical reporters gasped at the state of Jerry's once handsome Irish mug which looked like raw hamburger afterwards.

Jack Dempsey was over the hill and taking a pasting from Jack Sharkey (who was actually of Lithuanian descent. Sharkey was a name he adopted) when with his eyes shutting and blood gushing from his mouth turned the tables for a 7th round kayo.

Lesson - There is no quit in an Irishman.

 

Over emphasized by whom? It was one fight in his career, and I treat it as such.

 

I hardly think any ethnic or racial background has an exclusivity on courage.

 

In 30 years time boxing fans will look at his career and say "wow he was great at KO'ing bums wasn't he, look at that percentage!"

Then they'll look at the fights he lost and say "quit against an average blown up guy, and got his face mashed in by an ageing champion" and that'll be it.

No matter how many bull**** stats the Klit-ites post will change that - although I suspect they'll still be arguing the case for the guy in 30 years time when everyone else has forgotten him, or at the very least remembers him for what he truly was - a "Lewis opponent" :yep

Talk of what he may or may not have done to Marciano is irrelevent too. Marciano has his place sealed in history and will be a top 10 heavy certainly for as long as I live. Certain people can talk about VITLAY beating Marciano up all they like, because he's taller, has a good rounds won record and a good KO percentage, but the fact remains he's never been the recognised number 1 in his own era whereas when Marciano was around there was no argument as to who the best heavyweight in the world was.

 

Fail.

 

Arreola, Peters, Sanders, Johnson, Bean, Norris, Mahone, Hide... all very good fighters. Combined record... 346-17. Oh, but I know, 1200 active heavyweights in the pro ranks but they all suck.

Your line of argument is both ill-informed and biased.

 

that combined 346 and 17 record of the opponents i listed (of which most of the defeats were norris) was by accident i presume... even though there were between 1200 and 1500 active professional heavyweights in the world during that period??? oh, can't compete with the 50's when brain-addled 40 year olds were the best challengers for the title?

look, you want to live in your world of paul bunyan myths and 185 lb supermen who could lick the world, be my guest. this **** is tiresome to the nth degree.

carry on.

 

Yeah, a bunch of undertrained, over-fed and under-talented coke heads really would take the world by storm. You do realize that boxing writers at the time were bemoaning the horrific state of the division at that time. And I give good chances for any of the fighters I listed to tear apart each of the fighters above.

Just because your eyes can't adjust to the new paradigm that the talented super-heavies bring to the division, it ain't my fault, bro. Time to bust out the tapes of the golden oldies and yell at the kids to keep off your lawn.

 

I have injured my shoulder very badly before and I would enter matches and pure adrenaline would prevent pain however it wears off eventually. At that time it probably really started to bother him. And I know when your shoulder says enough its enough. I was not smart enough to get it looked at and I paid a small price. Vitali did the smart thing preserved that shoulder and look what he has done. My rotator cuff was not torn like Vitali my injury was not as bad but believe me it hurt. I'd hate to have to go another 6 like that. Vitali is a proven tough guy if he was in pain I buy it.