Pac's 30 day cut-off was reasonable ( proof inside)

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If they are going to test for it then they should know what they are looking for. So a list of those drugs able to....
1. be used
2. gain it's positive effects
3. effectively cycle off the drugs out of his blood in 24 days.
4. effectively cycle off the drugs out of his urine everyday.

should be available. So where are they? If they don't have a list then how are they going to test for it? Where's the list?

Basically they are saying there is a super drug that you can take in say 6 days(after which the effects diminish since you will be cycling out the drugs), get the benefits in say 6 more days in, and then totally cycle out in 6 more days. This is a crude example but I hope you get my point.

Consequently, what listed testable drug can be used effectively and cycled off blood in 24 days and totally undetectable in urine which can give you substantial advantage?

 

since when did a bunch of pac haters suddenly become competent when it comes to sports medicine.

lead by their ex world champ nallege perhaps?

 

This is part of a statement from the MLBPA over the positive test of a British rugby player.

This week, a British rugby player was suspended as a result of a reported positive blood test for HGH. This development warrants investigation and scrutiny; we already have conferred with our experts on this matter, and with the Commissioner's Office, and we immediately began gathering additional information. However, a report of a single uncontested positive does not scientifically validate a drug test. As press reports have suggested, there remains substantial debate in the testing community about the scientific validity of blood testing for HGH. And, as we understand it, even those who vouch for the scientific validity of this test acknowledge that it can detect use only 18-36 hours prior to collection.

Putting these important issues aside, inherent in blood testing of athletes are concerns of health, safety, fairness and competition not associated with urine testing. We have conferred initially with the Commissioner's Office about this reported positive test, as we do regarding any development in this area. We look forward to continuing to jointly explore all questions associated with this testing -- its scientific validity, its effectiveness in deterring use, its availability and the significant complications associated with blood testing, among others.


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I think your question is going to stump alot people. I frankly wouldn't be able to come up with one. And kudos to the person who can actually respond with factual evidence. But the thing about drug testing is that as stringent as it may seem it eventually evolves over the years. The obvious reason is that frankly, perpetrators who insist on using PEDs to gain some sort of advantage regardless of the sport will find away around it. And that way is not going to be readily available on the internet. If it were, the appropriate agencies particularly WADA would have countered it already.

While I do think that Pac is unlikely to be using in the first place and the 24 day cut off makes it extremely difficult to use effectively, I don't rule out that its a possibility.

Bottom line is that I believe (it was mentioned earlier) that Mayweather's request for the cut off was unprecedented in boxing but it was one that was to benefit Floyd's confidence much like Pacquiao's request for the $10 million per pound penalty was to assuage Manny's confidence. And when I say confidence, I don't mean it in terms of confidence in one's ability rather I mean confidence in your opponents complicity.

 

That's precisely my point. This "pseudo-Olympic style" test insisted by Mayweather is inutile. If they don't know what to look for how can they find it? And even if Manny is using such state of the art drug the 24 day window doesn't produce substantial advantage.

The reason the true Olympic style testing is a deterrent is because it random tests Olympic athletes the whole year on or off training/competition period. That is effective because one has to use drugs in longer periods to gain more benefits from it. The notion of using HGH close to a fight in a weighted class sport such as boxing is ludicrous. You use HGH to gain muscle mass but with a weight limit you won't use it close to a fight because you can use it, say 90 days, before the fight to attain your target muscle mass and hence target weight. Then near 24 days to the fight cycle off HGH and just try to maintain your muscle through constant training and protein shakes.

Mayweather should asked for blood testing on a period far from the fight, not near it. Urine testing on the other hand needed to be tested close to the fight for PEDs, etc.

 

I guess that makes sense.

To be honest I don't care how its solved, I really want to see that fight.

 

Same here. I just want to see the fight too, with testing or not I don't care. Discussing the issue is a separate matter.

 

for this fight to happen,someone needs to grow a pair of balls.

 

both of them needs to man up.

 

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dont blame you *****sito ^^ :good

 

Micera (epo), HGH, Insulin. Only detectable in blood (insulin not at all). Stop 5 days before fight with the epo. HGH and insulin helps with recovery and epo with endurance.
I bet there is much more illegal stuff) you can do than that.
The 84 days in 2004 was utter bollocks. 0-2 days is the limit for the standard test. New (blood) test is almost ready to use though.

 

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You're right. It says Mircera is not detectable in urine but it stays in your blood longer- much longer than 24 days. Pac agreed to be blood tested up to 24 days before the fight and right after the fight.

The responses on that article is also interesting. Something about the politics of drug testing, nanoTrap, etc.

 

people were so quick to judge Manny off of media statements and contradicting quotes within his entourage that they forgot to look at the actual facts.

I've been saying for a long time that the testing regime proposed by Pacquiao to Mayweather was as effective as the best of them. Just because its less invasive doesn't make it worse. On the contrary, it makes it better.

Even if the urine test is not yet approved by WADA, Pacquiao would have nothing to gain from doing an HGH cycle 3 weeks before a fight. If anything there would be little to no physical benefits in such a short period and on top of that it would **** with his psyche and he'd be worried shitless at the post-fight blood test.

But expect people to keep saying that there is a cloud of doubt above Pac's head, even though the facts point to reality which is that he is clean.


The bottom line is that this whole olympic style drug testing issue is the issue that caused the fight to be cancelled. And it wasn't Pac who brought it up. So not only is he clean, but there's no way you can say he didn't want the fight.