How much of Haye's stock will drop if he fights and loses to a Klit brother next?

Only if he loses in a competitive fight. If he is dominated like Chagaev or Chambers, why would he be regarded 3rd best HW? Povetkin and Chambers have better HW wins on their resumes.

 

That's the thing. I actually put his achievements into perspective. I don't have to put them down, I just have to spell out the facts, and give the full story that Haye fanbois conveniently seem to omit.

What's weird is how many creepy Brits are here trying to make his achievements out to be so much more than they are.

Time for a dose of reality. Haye doesn't even have much claim to be the third best Heavy right now. Beating Valuev and Ruiz just isn't impressive.
How the hell is he going to make his legacy in 2 years without fighting the Klits? Stay on the WBA circle-jerk? Beat up on Klit-leftovers? Beat up on guys so useless that the Klits wont touch them?

Now, if he was to fight Wlad, and somehow beat him? Yeah, then that would be the start of a decent legacy. Beating the legit #1 guy is the way to go. Then managing a couple of defences against decent opponents. Whammo - legacy issues all sorted out.
Two problems with that. 1) Wlad would stomp the **** out of Haye. 2) Haye knows it.

 

What utter ****. Outside of Wlad and Vitali i don't see any heavy with three better wins than Haye's last three, and most of these fat ****ers have had anywhere between 20 and 40 fights to get themselves in shape and stop fighting tomato cans. Haye has only been at heavy for 18 months.

If you want to put down his achievements then fair enough, but you can pick anyone's record apart. There are plenty of divisions that can just be written off as ****. Tim Bradley and Devon Alexander have clearly done **** all, since all they've done is pick up a belt in a **** division. Andre Ward can't be very good as all he's done is beat a guy who lost to the only decent fighter he faced and was only a top 3 guy in a **** division. It's **** easy to be a hater.

 

You, sir, are an idiot.

 

3) Haye may not beat Povetkin, Ademek, Arreola or Peter.

 

Haye would be favourite against all 4. Who has Arreola beaten? Seriously? He's a fat piece of **** and would get smashed all over the shop. Adamek is a blown up light-heavy/cruiser and would not live with Haye's power. Peter? LOL! Povetkin, less of an outrageous shout but he is too open and lacks power.

 

tbh haye wasn't ready to fight a klit when he fought valuev his body probably hadn't adjusted to being a hw and his style wasnt adjusted to it now he's beaten a freak show who as far as i was concerned was the only man who could outpoint the klits and he's fought the mandatory challenger he's got himself to a position now where he can take on the klits and not be a massive under dog he's done in 3 fights what chambers povetkin and all the other fat wastes couldnt do in 20 fights. i think the klits are worried

 

all i'm saying is haye is a world champion in two weight division, theres no point talking about who he's beaten to get there because theres no one in either division that is great. like i said if wladimir and vitali have beaten past greats then you could have a case, but they haven't, so they're in the same boat as david haye, and like i said, vitali wanting to fight a haye leftover speaks volumes. the heavyweight division is **** aswell. even haye beating both klitschko's won't make him great, and you know why? because neither of them are great aswell.

like i said all the heavyweights are in the same boat, not just david haye. we can put all their achievements down due tot he simple fact is theres no decent competition.

 

I agree, he would be a favorite against at least 3 of the 4.

Povetkin is a very good fighter. Would be a good fight.

Adamek, is the same as Haye to me. A blown up smaller guy trying to make it with the big boys.

Arreola would let his hands go and may catch Haye. It would be interesting to see how he would fare against a big buy applying that kind of pressure. The flip side is, Arreola would be open to counters and Haye is quick and has enough pop to possibly floor the fatty...although Vitali couldn't KO him...so its unlikely Haye could.

Peter has good ring experience and heavy hands. Haye is quicker, but Peter certainly has the ability to KO him if he can catch him.

Hell, I'd like to see Holyfied give it a go. I think he's more active, mobile and in better shape than the lower half of the division and hes a geezer!

 

Where did I say he was boring? Only hard core fans knew who Haye was before he moved up to heavyweight to fight the Klits. Cruiserweight is one of the weakest divisions and I'm not saying it's not a great achievement to unify the weight but hardly anyone knew who he was at that point. He made noise when he challenged the Klits. Casual fans had no idea who he was up until that point.

 

He is a con because he has fooled a **** load of British fans into thinking he is the best heavyweight in the world. If you claim to be the best, you have the beat the best. That's how he is a con. He will be a con until he backs up his words. He cleared out a **** division and fair play to him, he made a lot of noise about clearing out heavyweight and has yet to make it happen.

 

That's not fair. If Haye beats those two he deserves a hell of a lot of credit. Wlad and Vitali are underrated because of the era they are in. I'm not saying they would dominate divisions from other eras but they would hold their own and be there or there abouts.

 

Depends how he loses. If he loses badly he would be joke like clownpin. If he shows some heart and skills like Vit did when he lost to Lennox he would get more respect than he has now

 

Any proof for this claim? Sounds like a load of shite to me.

 

i didn't say he won't get credit, i said it won't make him a great, and it won't. he has a good chance of beating them aswell in my opinion.