Official Pavlik VS. Martinez Poll--April 17th

Why isn't the love for Martinez from the voters in this thread finding its way to this thread? Come on. You guys backing Sergio by KO can get great odds with you easy unearned vCash. :yep


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Kelly Pavlik v Sergio Martinez ~ WBC & WBO middleweight titles (Boxing)

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Outcome Odds Total Bets Total Staked Stake
Kelly Pavlik 8/13 F (0.62) 10 7661
Sergio Martinez 5/4 (1.25) 3 200
Draw 28/1 (28.00) 1 48
Kelly Pavlik by Decision or Technical Decision 7/2 (3.50) 1 500
Kelly Pavlik by KO TKO or DQ 6/5 (1.20) 6 1010
Sergio Martinez by Decision or Technical Decision 11/4 (2.75) 10 1807
Sergio Martinez by KO TKO or DQ 5/1 (5.00) 2 170
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This one is a little more difficult than Pavlik/Espino...

 

Got damn----he hit him about 15 flush times (and unanswered)....Pavlik might just have some good recupertative powers....:yep

 

In some ways. Kelly took a while to get his left involved in the Espino fight and Espino came to fight. Between rounds one and two Kelly says something to Jack we don't hear but Jack responds with something like, "Yeah, he's tough". So, tough kid and partial use of a left hand made that a tougher fight than anyone actually expected.

I have a feeling that early on Kelly lands something on Martinez that puts him into 'Rubio mode'. He may show more heart than Rubio but it could make for a longer fight. This could result in Martinez on occasion landing the flashier shots while Kelly lands the telling shots and that could make the scoring dicey and set up lots of people screaming robbery again.

 

I've noticed many pro-pavlik posters talking about KP establishing the jab, et. However, I think we may be in for a bit of a surprise. Everything Pavlik has said leads me to believe that the stalker/slugger isn't going to show up. Kelly is saying things like "his biggest strengths are also his biggest weaknesses." He's also talkng about left hooks, lead rights, hand speed, boxing skill, and patience. I honestly believe Pav wants to box this guys ears off. Sounds like an odd strategy, but so did running over Miranda.

 

Martinez has trained like a dog for this fight; he is in excellent condition: he is fast, sharp, strong, powerful... but he is no middleweight.

I think it will be a very good fight for the first half of the fight, but then I see Pavlik's workrate, jab and right making a big difference. As Martinez slows down in the late rounds, I see Pavlik taking advantage and winning in style, by stoppage.

Martinez doesn't have the power to hurt Pavlik, although he may put him down with a sneaky shot. On the other hand, his movement, upper-body and head-movement, the way he uses the ring, his angles and the confidence with which he commits to shots may well make things interesting for Pavlik early on.

I can't wait for this fight. Martinez should give Pavlik more to think about than any other fighter so far, except for Hopkins and Taylor. I'd be surprised if Martinez didn't win at least 3 rounds. However, I'd be even more surprised if Pavlik didn't beat him clearly.

 

I don't think the key to this fight is working behind the jab in the early rounds either. Left hooks, lead rights, hand speed, boxing skill and patience are the way forward early on. Once Martinez slows down though, the jab-straight right combos will have a big effect, though, I think.

 

I was more referring to the easy money on vCash for that fight and the laughable predictions of an Espino win [[url]1[/url]], lol.

I don't think Martinez would shy away from a brawl, to be honest. He seems to have more of a warrior spirit than a win-at-all-costs tactician spirit, and didn't seem deterred when Williams poured fire on him early. He's also been talking about having confidence in his own power... I think he's going to get stuck in.

 

That's pretty much the way I see it. However, Sergio has one nasty habit that could provide an exception. Sometimes he throws the lead left from to far out, over commits, and falls in badly. If he does that against KP, I think the fight ends right there.

 

I think Martinez is going to be content to pick his spots circle and then land his power shots from unorthodox angles when the time is right. Pavlik doesnt have one punch knockout power, he has solid power which wears you down over the course of a fight. I'm sticking to my Martinez by decision pick because I think he can get an early lead and hold on to it down the stretch.

I don't see where he was badly hurt by Williams and he wasn't hurt by Cintron so I think he has the chin to do the job.

 

Yeah, I think that is the plan for Martinez - early lead and then to run, circling around the ring for the last few rounds, looking for the odd straight shot from unorthodox angles. I don't think he can do it for the entire fight, though. By the mid rounds, Pavlik should start having his say.

 

Pavlik needs to pressure Martinez. Williams was successful because he was very good at cutting off the ring, and his sloppy, improvised style dragged Martinez into a brawl where he could score with volume. If Pavlik doesn't step up the pace early, he risks losing the first few rounds and facing a fresh Martinez while behind on the cards. Not a good idea.

 

Hmm... some interesting takes.

 

This sort of speculation about Sergio's fight plan makes perfect sense. However, I give more credence to what fighters and trainers say than I give to what fans say.

The plan you layed out is diametrically opposed to what Sergio and his trainer said. When they first announced the fight, Martinez said he would knock Pavlik out in 8 rounds. In the most recent interview Sergio and his trainer both predicted an "early KO."

 

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