Ken Buchanan vs. Juan Manuel Marquez at LW

He did in that fight though?

Remember more running and blocking then punching from John boy.

 

No way would Greg Haugen knock out Casamayor he wasnt that kind of puncher to Ko a tough guy like Casamayor was a good accomplishment and not too many guys could have knocked him out.
Haugen would probablydecision a aging Casamayor but it wouldnt have been easy, and not sure if he would have beaten a prime Casamayor? :think:think Gives me an idea. Good matchup

 

Yea what a bum Casa was twice beating Corrales (arguably 3 times), beating Nate Campbell, arguably beating Castillo, getting jobbed against Freitas, knocking out katsidis in his prior fight. yes Casa was past prime but well up for this fight, which prob turned the clock back a few years and tricky as ever

 

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I agree with this ^^^ post:good

 

Volume punchers usually drop their volume against great technical counter punchers, either that or they get punnished. Look how Hopkins/Mayweather make their opponents drop their volume by counter punching. And Pacquaio certainly wasnt up for throwing 100 a round against JMM

Kennys output would drop too

 

Do you think I'm wrong?

Ok.

 

Yeah Joel Casamayor and Juan Diaz just about equals the playing field of Ismael Laguna, Carlos Ortiz, Carlos Hernandez, Ruben Navarro, Jim Watt, Al Ford, Antonio Puddu, Maurice Cullen, Chan Kill lee and Frankie Otero.

Right you are anarci, I better stop nuthugging and get serious. :good

 

Well then I suppose I better say Ken Buchanan isn't scared shitless of getting hit. Perhaps THAT distinguishes them.

 

Casamayor, even at his best, was not on Ken Buchanan's level. The version that Marquez struggled for 11 rounds with is not even worth a comparison to Buchanan.

You can talk up Casamayor's performances all you like, but the fact of the matter is he looked like **** in robbing Cruz and was an inch away from being Ko'ed by Katsidis leading up the the Marquez fight. Casamayor did not put anything near a prime performance up agianst Marquez, even though he maximised whatever he had left.

 

Then he'd get hit plenty, clean and lose rounds as a result. In all seriousness what precision counter puncher boxers has Buch faced the quality of Marquez? I dont remember him having a massive output against Duran either

 

Lets get real here boys...Casa was once a very good champion, cagey as **** and plenty of tricks up his sleeve both in the book and out of it...but he was very done at that stage and whether he got up or not its very hard to reverse physical decline and you cant ignore the 3 years of consistently below par performances from Joel coming into this one.

People just want to believe that Marquez wasnt effected by the coming up in weight and that you can extrapolate his form at the lower weights and apply to this fight. I think stylistically Marquez will always have trouble with boxer types who minimize his countering opportunites and I think Kenny is ..add to the fact he his bigger, very durable, very quick and well conditioned its hard to see where Marquez wins this.

P4P Marquez is bit better..more well rounded with the punch to separate the two..but at lightweight Kenny is certainly superior fighter from what Ive seen..I dont see this as a pick em or even particularly debatable.

 

He'd get hit and he'd hit back. He wouldn't allow himself to get hit to no purpose.

A precision counter puncher? Ismael Laguna wasn't bad at counter punching. Certainly better than a lightweight Marquez. Though that's not even worth disputing. Jim Watt was doing a fair bit of counter-punching on Buchanan, but his work was more jab focused.

Buchanan didn't have a massive workrate against Duran, but Duran and Marquez are a world and a half apart.

 

Well Carlos Ortiz was washed up and you know it:yep Laguna was a very good win. Navarro was a good fighter(from my area) but he was a Juan Diaz type caliber very good fighter but not great, same with Jim Watt,Carlos Hernandez those other guys you didnt have to mention. Your sleeping on Marquez ability. I know how good Buchanan was but i think your underrating Marquez.