Official Pavlik VS. Martinez Poll--April 17th

Koki Kameda. :deal

 

What CAN be taken from that fight, and I've watched it several times, is that Williams wouldn't listen to his corner and made Martinez look better than he should have. I make fun of his corner telling him to 'man up on dem punches', but it would have corrected MANY mistakes that Paul was making. He would have regained his height and reach advantage for one. Kelly Pavlik IS NOT going to be making the same mistakes Paul Williams made against Sergio Matinez, so yes, it will be a much different fight.

Now ask yourself this question. If Paul had done what his corner asked, and they tell Paul he is making the fight harder than it has to be, would Martinez even be considered a viable opponent for Kelly? I don't think so.

 

Williams called out a WW because he's a natural WW!

Pavlik called out A WW because he's a natural *****!!!!

Why doesn't Pavlik fight a MW or a SMW??

 

Ref and the superfluous judges been posted/named/announced for this fight yet?

 

No, not for this fight, unfortunately. Being laid off has the wife worried & I'm not a famous artist yet, so we'll save some $$$ & watch it in the comfort of our living room.

Kelly better splatter this guy...regain some of the luster thats worn off.

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Lets pray its Steve Smoger!!!:happy

 

Well -- we know for sure that KP will "man up on dem punches!":yep

I disagree with those who feel that Martinez beat Williams, and that includes all those who feel that way. It was a close fight, but at the end of the day, Williams won.

Paul won mainly because Martinez can't handle pressure fighters. Paul and Kelly bring two different types of pressure. Pdub mounts a full on frontal assault, throws 100 punches per round, and hopes something happens.

Pavlik usually throws 70 plus punches, and many of them are thrown with evil intentions. He doesn't follow his opponent around either. He steps one way or the other to keep his man in front of him. He usually uses a left hook from outside to stop guys from moving away from the right hand. Move one way, you catch a left hook, move the other, you catch a right hand, go straight back, and all hell breaks lose.

 

Let's not get carried away here. For now, I'm still sticking with my tentative prediction of a Pavlik KO, but this is still not an easy fight! It could be a long, nervy Louis/Conn I-type affair. KP isn't just going to stroll in there and stop this guy like he would Paul Williams.

 

That's just one part of the equation, though. There are other possibilities, such as that Williams listened to his corner, but couldn't do it. Maybe he couldn't plant his feet and land harder shots. Maybe he did follow their orders, but Martinez was listening to his corner and was also adapting. Maybe the changes Williams' corner wanted to make actually played into Martinez's hands?

It's just too simple to put it that way.

 

Williams threw mostly arm punches, though, which is an advantage in some ways and a disadvantage in others.

 

Unlike many, I think if it goes the distance it will be a Pavlik decision because it will mean Martinez went 'Rubio' better than Rubio did. I just don't think Martinez can close the distance with any sort of regularity and not be made to pay the price.

 

I love listening to you romanticize over the most mediocre lineal champion since Baldomir

But you're right, the types of pressure is different. Martinez should have an easier time against Pavlik's pressure, because of the footwork involved with all three men. Pavlik's plodding footwork plays into Martinez's hands.

I guess you once saw Pavlik bounce on his toes though, so maybe I'm wrong! That would be a typical response to any criticism of Pavlik, right?

 

My money on Pavlik.

Pavlik got to much power for Martinez and Martinez style wont be anything Pavlik hasn't handled before.

 

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Call me crazy, but I honestly believe Pavlik will steam roll Martinez. It was pretty easy for Pdub to drag Martinez into a fire fight, and Sergio and his trainer both predicted an early KO. KP cuts off the ring better than Paul. He is tougher and stronger than Paul, and he hits a hell of a lot harder. Sergio can't survive the same kind of exchanges he got into in the early rounds against Williams, but I do believe KP can force those exchanges.

This fight only goes past the mid rounds if Martinez adopts a hit and run strategy. However, Sergio is not talking about out boxing Pav. He has predicted a KO from day one.

 

My main worry with KP is integrating defence and offence. For a guy that applies so much pressure, he has a strange habit of momentarily backing off when his opponent throws a combination. When he's aware of that, he can avoid it and throw over the top of an opponent very well (Miranda), which is a great addition to his style; but, sometimes (Zertuche, Taylor II, even Lockett), he pauses a bit much for my liking. If he lets Martinez jump in at him and tries to just catch his shots without returning fire, like I say, just see Louis/Conn I, maybe without the happy ending.