I re-watched and re-scored Barrera vs Morales 1 for the 1st time in years last night

What was your scorecard for the second fight Zerwas?

 

I'd have thought a man who created over 5,000 posts in over 5 years would know how to read a thread title or a quoted post.

 

Go back and read the post you responded to Ant too......

.....he talks about the 3rd Morales fight......I'm assuming that your response was about the third Morales-Mab fight, but you go off in a tangent talking about Morales and his corner not having a plan B, and in a thread where different people are talking about either of the 3 fights in their trilogy, its helpful that you quote which fight you're specifically talking about when you go off on tangents like Morales and his team not having a plan B when nobody else in the thread is talking about such a thing.


The thread starter wants fight one talked about, you respond to a poster that talks about fight 3,......then you tangent off to talk about Morales not having a plan B.


.....when you start off a sentence on an altogether new analogy thats talking about a trilogy, begin it with "In that 3rd fight, Morales seemed clueless as to make the adjustments and turn to another game plan......when he finally did, it was too late, he had lost to many of the late rounds to make up the difference imo."



This is exactly your quote........

......and btw, its not about not having a plan B if you're talking about the third Morales-Mab fight.
By then, they had already fought 24 rounds and knew eachothers tendencies quite well.
Anyone thats watched Morales knew he could do either of Boxing or slugging.

The stupidity of Morales did'nt come because he did'nt have a plan B. We already knew that he could outbox MAB if thats what he chose......but against MAB because of his personal dislike of him, Morales in his "last two fights with MAB" willingly came off his boxing game plan to want to slug with MAB because what Morales wanted to do with KO MAB.....

That slugging strategy worked against Morales, because on the inside, MAB was the faster quicker fighter to let his hands fly freer'.......


Fight two, Morales builds up an unsurmountable lead and makes the mistake of slugging with MAB on the inside late in the fight. I wrong, but willful strategy by Morales because is gave the uneducated the flavor toward the end of the fight that MAB was the better and fresher fighter.
The uneducated seem to forget what occurs in the early and middle rounds when a fighter closes strong.

Fight three was the opposite......Morales seems like he's sleep walking waiting to land a big punch early, and willing to exchange with MAB from the onset.
This was brought up by the fact that Morales thought that at 130 lbs, MAB was going to be too small to deal with his punching power at 130 lbs.
.......Morales did this willfully, not because he did'nt have a plan B......when he realized things were getting out of hand and MAB was getting the better of him on the inside exchanges, he turned to that plan B you say he did'nt have and imo salvaged a draw out of that "3rd" fight with MAB.

It was never about not having a plan B, and all about the feud and dislike of MAB that led Morales to veer off course of what he should have been doing, which was to box. Call Morales stupid for that, but your take that he did'nt have a plan B is invalid.

Morales had a plan A, B , and C.......his ego is what got in the way of him using those assets of his.

 

It's fight like these that remind me just how greater Erik and Marco was to Marquez though. What a fight.

 

Come on Bill.... they were boxing on even terms, and you know it. The boxing stopped and the fighting started when EM finally landed a serious shot and MAB went nuts. Once they started brawling, MAB had the edge until the final bell, just like he always does.

Erik, imho, would have had more success against MAB if he fought him every time the way he fought Manny in their first fight. Kept him on the end of his jab and tried to pick him apart. He made it a personal thing, went to war every time, and MAB's quicker hands will always give him the edge in that kind of fight. Combinations and quick left hooks > than straight right hands in close and in a war.

Like I said, EM is way more popular than MAB is on ESB. Had MAB kept the same style he used as a jr. fw this wouldn't be the case, but he would have had half the career he ended up having. Posters are just looking for ANY way to make a case for EM against MAB, but like I said, we have the fights on tape.

 

We don't know that. JMM should have been in the mix from the beginning, we would have had three or four more classic fights in the weightclass.

 

:good End of the thread. He's the sentimental favorite.

 

I said it just to wind up Divac, but Barrera and Morales have proven to be greater up to this point -- certainly.

 

Yeah, everytime I watch the Gatti-Ward trilogy, its a reminder of just how much greater they were than someone like Kostya Tszyu, who never gave that kind of a perforumance.

 

Oh dear, Divac just compared Gatti/Ward to Morales/Barrera. He's finally lost the splot.

 

Two great trilogies.

Whether to be a troll or not, you dismissed JMM based on MAB and Morales getting comfortable with eachother fighing a trilogy and leaving Marquez out.......

......and yes indeed sir......I would parrellel that to a situation if for instance Gatti and Ward had a trilogy at 140 lbs and on the outside looking in without getting the praises, someone like Tszyu were on the outside looking in not being able to land a fight with the two fighters that were fighting eachother to high praises.


Its an analogy of a situation. I'm in no way, shape, or forum insinuating Gatti and Ward are of the caliber of MAB and Morales........but you trolling or not, remarked on a comment that would insinuate Marquez did'nt belong in their class, when quite clearly he's right there, and in many people's minds even beyond them!:deal

 

Anyone who thinks he's beyond those two need to take up another sport. It's that simple.

 

There's the first of MANY errors you have since made, but be forewarned, I don't suffer wrong-headedness for long, I do not intend to correct many more, my time is precious. Saying that Morales didn't have a backup plan in his 3rd fight isn't a "tangent"; it's my supposition on why he fought as lacksadaisically as he did for the first half of the fight. A "tangent", outside the original geometric definition of the term, would be to begin discussing a topic that had nothing to do with the fight.

Wrong, that wasn't my quote, that was YOU quoting what I had written.

Now, as you can see my reply is quite brief, but as I explained above, I don't tolerate incorrectness in my discussions, and certainly don't maintain discussions with anyone who perceives flaws in my own logic but doesn't see his own, quite glaring mistakes above. If you will not acknowledge your misuse of the words "tangent" and "quote", as illustrated to you above, then I'll save us both some time, and myself a lot of wasted effort, by cutting this conversation dead, right here.

If you can, then prepare for an enjoyable analysis of the trilogy. I'll be quite happy with whichever of the two courses suits you best.

 

an argument can definately be made that although JMM never had the opportunities and fan support to showcase his greatness like MAB and Morales did, in terms of ability he was their equal or maybe even better.

I wouldn't make that case though, but its close.

 

You could make that case strictly off the Pacquiao fights. I tend to think that a younger MAB would outwork JMM and he could even outbox him if he had to, simple as that. It would be a technical, cold-blooded affair between those two more likely than not. JMM and Erik would most likely be the better, more exciting fight because Erik would bring the fire and give JMM constant countering opportunities, which would **** Erik off and just make him throw that much more heat. I could see that matchup turning into a bloody war.