What do you see? He's going to miss a lot, that seems obvious enough, so how does he respond? By picking his shots to avoid being countered or by upping his workrate and trying to out-score Mayweather on volume punching? Let's have your opinion.
Try and out-score Mayweather with volume punching for as long as he can maintain the pace. That'll be either long enough, or not. If he can build up a lead early on, then get a second wind and steal a round or two in the second half of the fight, he has a chance to win a close decision I feel.
So there are three things I would say about this. 1 - This is a really really sapping strategy, in terms of stamina. 2 - He's going to get countered, a lot with this strategy. 3 - He's going to look a bit silly and miss a lot. Against a top drawer counter-puncher an older volume-puncher's work-rate often drops. See Calzaghe-Hopkins for an example. The pressure-fighter can also dominate the action (Frazier-Ali FOTC) or be badly beaten (Frazier-Ali, Manilla). But I do have to say Mosley is not a pressure fighter. He is a box-puncher....anyway, what do you make of the three points above?
Fight like Oscar De La Hoya did for half of the fight in his fight with Floyd. If he tries to mix it up on the inside Mayweather will beat him up. If he tries to merely to outhustle Floyd like Oscar did in the end of their fight, he's going to get potshotted and dominated. He needs to maintain a safe distance, when Floyd backs into the ropes, dont flurry like a wild man, feint and pick your shots. If you watch the first Castillo fight, Castillo didnt charge Mayweather against the ropes, he would push Mayweather to the ropes, then feint and sometimes not even throw, but that threw Mayweather off, he didnt know when Castillo was going to attack, what angle he was coming at him, so his check hooks were largely ineffective. Mosley needs to have a measured approach. Realize that Mayweather goes to the ropes on purpose, he loves to fight off of them, its a perfect countering shot because the leverage of the ropes allows him to put more sauce on his uppercuts and hooks. So when Mayweather is against the ropes, feint, make him flinch, indecisive, then catch him coming back out, not going in. Its merely a trap. Most of all Mosley cant get discouraged. The difference between the 1st and 2nd fight with Castillo vs Mayweather is in the 2nd fight Castillo got discouraged. In the 1st fight, he actually lost the first half of the fight wider then he lost the second, Mosley has to accept he's going to lose, rounds, but continue pressing Mayweather intelligently. Mayweather doesnt like fighting the whole round, hasnt shown that ability since he left 140. So when he's inactive thats when you go active. But not crazy, cuz thats what Mayweather wants
i agree with all of that i personally think, especially with naz as his trainer, and seeing the Bhop/Rjj (well seeing parts if it) mush, he will try some bhop dirtball tactics...hugging, using his head, and a lot of crying to the ref i don't know if it will work, but i think he will try and avoid letting floyd turn this into a technical boxing match and instead try and make it a sloppy muddy brawl (because frankly, that's his onnly chance)
Agree. The thing is, Oscar had that jab. De La Hoya's jab is a real thing of beauty, it has basically all the attributes you'd want in that punch. Simply put, Mosley's jab isn't as good. Sugar seems to lack the tool needed to conrol Mayweather's rythym to deploy this strategy. What do you think? I think that's a good post overall. But Mayweather solved the Castillo forumula to a degree, did he not? That was the source of Castillo's frustration? I consider Castillo I a big, big learning fight for Mayweather, and I can't see him caught up in exactly the same way again?
Not Mosley. So you see him fighting a fight as messily as the referee will allow, almost like Hatton?
Best scenario I can see for Shane is outscoring with volume punching, then taking time to rest afterwards. It's a little bit of a Leonard-Hagler strategy: maybe twice a round throw impressive flurries so that you can be seen to be visibly outworking your opponent and impress judges with your dominance during that period, (and unlike Leonard, Shane can add in physical dominance by pushing Floyd around and bullying him) then after that recuperate, get your strength and stamina back. Furthermore, I think one of the best things Shane can do is to keep changing up his approach and try to keep Floyd guessing as much as possible. One time, start coming in with a jab and then a right. Next time, a shot or two to the body then the head. Time after that, jab, feint right, left hook then right. Time after that, lead with the right. And so on. Mixing the approach up will keep Floyd guessing and minimize the opportunities and reaction times for countering. Combine that with greater volume and more impressive punches, and even if they don't score, it might make Mayweather fight too negatively to pick up the rounds he'll need.
i know it's out of character for him, but i think you will see some more talking to the ref, not as much a bhop, but a few "hey, wtf low blow" moments a little like hatton, yes, but not totally shane is bigger than hatton, but hatton had better foot work, IMO, and hatton was a go in then punch...i think this will be more of a punch and hug i wouldn't be surprised if he goes into the fight trying to show something different early on, then changing his plan (pre-set strategy, not him figuring something out then changing) wow, what a messy post by me, but have to run
i think he needs to fight Floyd from close range, and keep giving some power shots enuf for Floyd to respect him. He's not going to outbox him. He better be ready from those straight rights when Floyd is using his shoulder roll. Get out out range right away after giving a couple of body shots. Let Floyd come to him.
Mayweather is the best in the sport at making his opponent fight his fight. Mosley has to mix it up, mix it up during rounds. Not just fight the first half of the bout trying to volume punch and then spend the second half of the bout trying to pick up a couple of rounds...I've heard a number of people say this may be his best strategy. I disagree. He needs to keep Mayweather second guessing, feint, feint, and then feint again. Like someone has pointed out already, if Mayweather doesn't know when his opponent is going to attack, he doesn't know when to go into his defensive shell. All the time, Mosley needs to keep sticking the jab in Mayweather's face, whether his jab can be effective enough against Floyd is yet to be seen.
Well thats a problem. Not only does Mosley not have a jab as good as Oscars, but he also does not have Oscars defense. Oscar was able to pick off alot of Floyds shots. Something that I havent seen from any fighter yet. Mosley many times is too easy to hit. However he does have better stamina, power, punch resistance then the Oscar that Floyd fought. So he'll have to use that little flicker jab of his, and try to back up floyd any way he can, crowding, flicking that jab, shooting a right at the body ect. Fight Mayweather in the center of the ring is a no-no for Mosley. So getting Floyd to the ropes is a must. But that big shot off the ropes is there against Floyd. Against Marquez, Castillo and DLH, the biggest punches they landed were feinting Floyd on the ropes. They feinted, Mayweather flinched then came across the top with big overhand rights. Marquez did it in the 2nd I believe and Oscar did it in the 11th of their fight. I dont think Mayweather was 100% against Castillo in the 1st fight. Shoulder problems and it was his first move up in weight. But besides that there is nothing really that different from Mayweathers tactics in the 1st fight to the 2nd. He was simply on his bike boxing. Infact the first half of the 2nd fight was actually closer then the 1st half of the 1st fight. Mayweather in the 2nd fight seemed to have an extra gear he didnt have in the first fight, and Castillo around 10 or 11 just gave up. But still half of the blueprint is there. Both Castillo and DLH had success intelligently pressuring Floyd, feinting while he's on the ropes and fighting when he was coasting. Best I got. :good
My problem with this is that it's "eggs in one basket" strategy. Mosley's flurries HAVE to successfully land. Here's the difference between Hagler and Mayweather - Mayweather is going to make Sugar miss, a lot. So if Mosley is commiting to a part-time pressure style, he can lose to the same potshots that beat an all-round patient strategy just by missing with the majority of his flurried punches - which is certainly going to happen throughout. Yeah, it seems almost impossible to engineer a strategy for Sugar that doesn't have some version of "fingers crossed" somewhere. If he can force Mayweather into a bit of a shell though, I think he'd have a good chance.
Marquez feints, boom overhand right. [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwgpGxle0T0&feature=related[/ame] Oscar feints to Mayweathers body, boom overhand right. [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSSK4z6u7_E&feature=related[/ame] 2:48 Castillo feints to Mayweathers body, boom overhand right [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpVJ2XfaXKY[/ame] Its there folks.