I'm sorry, but Wlad beats Dave.

Haye has always said he loves fighting tall europ style guys so we'll see what he can do with the best of them. Wlad will expect Haye to start fast and come out bombing so I could see Haye starting really cagey for the first half of the first round to make Wlad relax and think it's another easy night and then explode in the last minute, targeting the body with a solid right hand going straight for the solar plexus as Wlad won't be expecting that and it is enough of a target for Haye to aim at. I can but dream! Fingers crossed anyway

 

Agreed.
I would LOVE Haye to win, but I find it very unlikely. As I said before, the Ruiz fight simply added to my belief that he gets KOd by either Klit brother. Hardly uses the jab, wide open to jabs himself, low workrate and becomes wild when he smells blood.

A cuffing shot from Wlad is enough to hurt Haye badly and Wlad is a patient finisher. Haye could actually hurt Wlad and then be stopped as he pours in swinging. When you look at the barrage of winging punches he threw at Enzo, one landed and that finished the fight, but he was wide open to a lucky counter punch, and risked punching himself out with every second allowing the hurt man to come more and more to his senses.

Haye would need good lateral movement and to double up a quick jab in order to close range and negate Wlads jab to some extent. Standing on the outside waiting to slip a right hand and counter with his own is suicidal and people can talk about game plans and how he and Booth adapt his strategy all they like, but the reality is that the above tactic is what he has done in the vast majority of fights.

 

I had the conversation with a mate on Sunday. He was saying Haye would win easily because "all" Wlad does is lean back and jab.

 

There are an awful lot of optimistic people here. Did somebody really compare it to Maccarinelli? :nut

All this 'When David lands a bomb on his fragile chin..blahblah'...what about when Wlad lands a bomb on David's chin?

 

I wish Haye would face Vitali first - much more winnable fight for him IMO.

 

I'm starting to think so too. I never would have believed that given Vitali's toughness but he just hasn't convinced me since his return. His power has evaporated. He's pretty slow and does't move all that well. I could see Haye doing a pretty good hit and run job. It would be close because of Vitali's output though if Haye attempted that tactic.

 

A gameplan similar to the one against Valuev with much higher output could do the job. Vitali is much slower and his timing isn't all there. He still can throw 1000 punches over 12 round though! :nut

 

That's the problem and why it wouldn't work. Haye cannot have a "much higher output", unless he seriously works on his stamina. Look at the Ruiz fight, he was gasping by the 4th round. He took two rounds off and against Vitali he would simply not be able to do that. He would be eating jabs and shipping 4 or 5 shots from Ruiz as you take a round to recover is not the same as taking 8 or 9 from Vitali.

Vitalis output alone makes a Valuev type performance very very unlikely. Ruiz walked Haye down and continued to press despite tasting his power early. Those same power shots would not have dropped Vitali, and Vitali could walk him down with the added benefit of a much greater reach and being able to land his jabs and right hands without having to close the gap like Ruiz did.

 

I still wouldn't give him much of a prayer against Vitali...I just don't think he'd be in much danger of being sparked by one punch, but its still a massive ask. What Vitali lacks in speed and accuracy compared to his brother he makes up for with a more ballsy approach and a higher output.

 

I think I'll need to rewatch the last five Wlad fights to get a proper analysis. The only issue is that neither Haye nor Wlad has faced an opponent like the other, so it becomes an issue of analyisng tendencies rather than styles.

Vaugely, it's all about the jab and Haye's left hook over it.

 

**** that! I only ever watch Wlad's fights once and that is when they are on live.

 

I'm not sure his left-hook will be a factor. The right hand is his best punch, always has been. If he wants to have any chance of winning he's got to land that. The left-hook worked against Valuev because he's slow but in general its not been a major weapon for him, its not the tightest of left-hooks, its quite roundhouse which makes it easy to see. I'd be surprised if a good athlete and defensive fighter like Wlad was caught with that.

 

The plan has to be to circle away from the jab.

Which puts you on to Wlad's power hand, but he's so reluctant to throw it that it should be a pretty safe plan.

If Haye can keep moving sideways, get Wlad moving/plodding forward, constantly move away from the left.......I think he can walk Wlad on to some left hooks.....then we have a fight.

 

This is the way I see it as well. Haye needs to stay mobile and he has said on many occassions in the past that he wouldn't stand infront of Wlad and eat his jab all night; I do, however, accept that it's easier said than done. Of course it's a tough ask, but Haye does have a chance of winning and a Haye win isn't beyond the realms of reality, IMO. Wlad shits himself when he's pressured and I think Haye will make the fight as uncomfortable as he can for Wlad for however long it lasts. When was the last time Wlad fought someone with as much heart, speed with power and skill as Haye? Wlad's opponents over the years have been shocking as well and perhaps people have forgotten how vulnerable he can be.

Feel free to pick holes in my argument, people- this is just the way I see the fight:good.

 

any1 else see the vitali fight going the same way as the byrd fight cuz thats exaly as i see it