What makes a good jab?

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  1. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    What is your critea for a 'good' jab? Why are these things effective and important?

    Also please use a fighter to illustrate your examples
     
  2. Mr Butt

    Mr Butt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    accuracy and speed -larry holmes
     
  3. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The same things that make for good punches of other sorts:

    - Timing
    - Power
    - Speed
    - Placement
    - Variety
    - Unpredictability
    - Frequency
     
  4. snakeface

    snakeface The Woodside Hurricane Full Member

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    the way it is used to control a fight....
    to make people weary of trying to go in ....
    to use it as a setup for a straight right hand or left.
    to carve up someones face with that leather
    that snap that can create a flash knockdown.
     
  5. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    1 - Accuracy

    You can't waste jabs. If you're jab is being countered, how you going to lead off? It's the hardest punch to miss with, especially if you hold your left like Barney Ross, so if you can't deploy it accurately, at the very least you need to be very very economic and you probably need to turn counter puncher yourself. Example, Barney Ross v McLarning III

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zytOp1o3xMg[/ame]



    2 - Variety

    It sort of ties in with the above, but if you're leading with the same jab over and again, you're going to get found out. You got to mix the jab up and feint with it, too, throw other shots upon setting it up, body-head, hook of the jab, hook whilst jabbing etc. Example - Buchanan v Lee

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OU5fEgPP6Cw[/ame]

    Ken has a "standard" jab, but note how he feints to the body, leads with it to the body, couters with it off the back foot, throws it as the second punch in a combo, hooks from a jabbing position, steps in with the jab, all in the first round. Talk about a rythym breaker.


    And these two things are the most important things. There are loads and loads of other things to consider, pace, power, range finding (Barney-Ross v McLarning is actually a good example of this, too), economy, timing, even targetting, but they are all secondary IMO. If you have variety and accuracy, genuinely master both, you have your world-class jab.
     
  6. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    But how are these utilised to make it work? What makes these things?

    McGrain broke it down what I was looking for, anyone else want to add their spin, or add another category?
     
  7. Ted Spoon

    Ted Spoon Boxing Addict Full Member

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    To set-up other shots, to blind your man, to round off combinations. The jab has multiple applications. Some flick, some thud, others snap; so to do the delivery of them widely vary.

    Erik Morales used to talk of using his jab as a weapon, to hurt people with, not simply used as a radar. Barney Ross explained this style as "burning the punch in."

    What makes a jab good depends on how one uses it to their advantage; taller fighters should snake with it like Foster or Lewis, shorter men should double it up to get closer and back opponents up. More often than not fighters who rarely jab fight scrappy.

    It is quite amazing how its uses go from one thing to the next. Early jabs are essentially fishing rods and then when they've found their fish they exchange it for a spear.
     
  8. lefthook31

    lefthook31 Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    A good jab establishes range from your opponent. Why do so many fighters come out just jabbing in the first round? They are trying to establish the distance where they can touch their opponent and not be hit in return by either keeping them off balance (a taller opponent), or at distance (a shorter opponent). Then once the range is established, more punches can be put behind it.
    The jab should come straight out from your fighting position with your elbow in and come right back to the same spot, no hooking or telegraphing, that just increases the distance it has to travel to your opponent.
     
  9. snakeface

    snakeface The Woodside Hurricane Full Member

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    the jab is also good for scoring high in punches thrown...
    sometimes throwing the jab can make you look more busy ...sometimes they are deflected but judges think they land ....
     
  10. itrymariti

    itrymariti CaƱas! Full Member

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    Pernell Whitaker.
     
  11. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member

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    I wont go for the obvious .
    Jose Napoles
    Luis Rodriguez
    You should jab as though you are punching through your opponent,imo.
    Timing, accuracy .It should be punishing enough to break up an attack ,and be the core of your own,the first building block in your house.
     
  12. lora

    lora Fighting Zapata Full Member

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    I don't think there's anything wrong with throwing deliberately lazy, innacurate or out of range jabs to set traps if you have the skillset to do so.though of course you need to be sharp and wary when doing so, not underestimating the opponent's speed or countering prowess.

    Napoles, Monzon, Conteh, Canto, Archie Moore...were all great at deceiving fighters with the "out of range" jab, and luring them onto other leads or further jabs.
     
  13. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Robinson, too.
     
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    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

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    Most have been mentioned but I'd add RANGE and ability to cover distance (ie stepping in) - Hearns has a great jab but even if he has the best chin of all time he isnt outjabbing Vitali Klitschko
     
  15. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Olivares, too. A younger Olivares doing it here, lazy jab/feint/trap. Quality stuff.

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avAPDQW36tE&feature=related[/ame]

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAIzlwg84y8&feature=related[/ame]