Floyd Keeps Saying There's no "Blueprint" to beat him...

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  1. Stonehands89

    Stonehands89 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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  2. GPater11093

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    haha

    Stonehands, I was actually watching both fighters and I do think Mosley has a chance, IMO I think Mosley has to press Mayweather up against the ropes, keep him busy with flurries in close, then step back and let go afew big shots. Thats sort of your plan, but slightly adapted for Mosley. I'm actually writing an article on it in the style of a keys for victory for both men, and I been asking would it be OK to quote your article in it?
     
  3. Meast

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    A good read that, I don't think Mosley could ask for many better than Nazim in his corner with him...lets hope he gets it right.
     
  4. El Bujia

    El Bujia Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Great write-up. I agree with it all. Who'd be the man for the job, though?
     
  5. McGrain

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    The things that Floyd is vulnerable tend to make for tactics, not strategy. He's vulnerable to the right hand after the feint. He's vulnerable to being controlled by the jab if you can trap him on the ropes. As for how you beat him? Like the man says, nobody knows. "Yet".

    Sugar doesn't have the jab for it.
     
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    “…opening the hood of an engine and exploring around inside for the weaker spots. Only, when he finds these, he doesn’t repair them. He makes them worse. It’s a trick a lot of mechanics have, but with Mr. Moore it’s a high art form. A loose bolt here, a slick valve there, and by the time Arch has got through tinkering, the transmission falls out.”

    Great quote.
     
  7. Stonehands89

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    By all means.
     
  8. Stonehands89

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    Richardson is old school. He may well be the deciding factor.
     
  9. Stonehands89

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    I've heard De La Hoya and others tout the jab as the key to beat Floyd. I don't quite agree unless you are talking about jabbing him to his chest to get him off balance. "Establishing the jab" mid-ring plays into Floyd's timing -he's fast enough to counter most guy's jab.
     
  10. McGrain

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    I think it depends on the jab. I mean there's no question that Oscar won the first half of his fight with Money, and there's no questiont that his jab was the telling factor in that victory, but he's got a pretty extraordinary jab.

    You are definitely correct to say that it's a foolish thing to do mid-ring, but it's pretty dumb to do anything with him mid-ring, mid-ring isn't where you fight him or any other defensive slickster. You have to get him out wide, and you have to do it without trying to bull him. That's why the jab.

    I wonder what fighters could jab "at" him, from all of history? It's an interesting one actually. Maybe Buchanan could have some success.
     
  11. El Bujia

    El Bujia Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    One of the things I noticed during the Oscar/Floyd fight was just as you've described. Oscar would back Floyd up against the ropes and let loose hard jabs in succession to his left shoulder/pectoral era. Floyd was clearly moved, but attempted to laugh it off all the same, likely to deter Oscar. Had De La Hoya stuck to that approach (and hired a wizard to shave off a few years to compensate for his ever decreasing stamina) he'd probably have gotten the win.
     
  12. ripcity

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    If there is a Blueprint to beat Floyd Mayweather we must understand his strigths and advantages first.
    1. Mayweather has the most important combonation for a boxer to have. Timing and speed. The ability to read react to at the right time to his opoents. Throw in his speed. This is what made Roy Jones great as well.
    2. His fundemental boxing skills add them to timing and speed and you have an even better boxer
    3. His size Mayweather is 5′ 8″ with a 72″ reach. By no means a giant but taller and longer than most welterweights. Not to mention most light welterweights, lightweights and super feather weights.
    4. His style. He has proven to be able to fight in many ways. However he prefers to let his opoent come to him and pick them off coming in.
    5. The ability to adapt to what ever he faces. Looka t the fights where he has had the most trubel. The first Jose Luis Castilio fight. Zab Judah, Oscar De La Hoya and Ricky Hatton. He won each of those fights the only one that might be debatable is the Castilio fight I scored it 116-111 for Mayweather in a recent viewing. The other three fights he had his problems in the early going but in the end proved to be able to adapt and or impose his will on them.

    How to beat Floyd Mayweather.
    1. Size matters when it is used corectly. It helps to be taller and longer than him.
    2. Jab. It is the most important punch in the sport of boxing. It keeps distance if you are the taller/longer boxer. It cuts distance if you are not. It sets up other punches.
    3. Atack the body. No matter how fit anyone is a good body atack is going to do some damage and slow them down. Mayweather is no expction. Keep in mind that rounds in which you concentrate on the body you might not win. Judges tend to like head shots more than body shots.
    4. You don't need to go all out every round or even win every round. Assuming there are no knock downs you only realy need to win 7 rounds to win a 12 round boxing match. Taking a few rounds of or to go after the body might pay off in the end. Think of this as a long distance race. Not as a sprint
    5. Be a southpaw. He has had secuess against southpaws before but most orthodox boxers have problems with them. I mean be a natural southpaw.
    6. Change things up. You just had 4 great rounds that dose not mean you are going to have another great 8 rounds if you keep doing the same thing.
    7. Have better timing and speed
    8. have better boxing skills.
    9. Have a good chin. While he is not a ko artist his punch is better than often given crdit for.
    10. Have ko power of your own. The knockout is the great eaqualizer in boxing.
    No one is invencible in boxing. Some boxers are just better at exploiting their stringhts and hiding their weekness than others. Mayweather is very good at this.
     
  13. bodhi

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    For sure. Pernell Whitaker, Tommy Hearns, Barney Ross are sure picks too I think. Benny Leonard perhaps.
     
  14. Stonehands89

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    Duran didn't rely on the jab much at all to deal with the speed of Leonard. He never allowed him to be the boss. Same principle here. Floyd spends rounds reading and gauging and then takes over once his experiments are complete and solutions are found. What to do? Smash his test tubes.

    If you rely too much on the jab here, you lose. If you use it as part of your repertoire to get him on the ropes and in the corners -ramming it, feinting it, varying it to foil his timing, then it will help, but I'm convinced that the way to fight Floyd is not to "box" him. He eats orthodoxy and spits it back at you because he's too well-conditioned to read what you are doing.

    That's what he really means when he says he has a "gift." I don't mean conditioned in the cardiovascular sense, I mean it in the Pavlovian sense.

    He has to be disrupted. He has to be forced into a preoccupation with surviving to have time to gauge a damn thing. Floyd isn't a warrior. That requires recklessness and Floyd is anything but reckless. I believe that the guy who can beat him is at once unorthodox, a destroyer of timing, and a banger. Shane isn't unorthodox ...he can be gauged and timed, and that is a problem for his chances here.
     
  15. El Bujia

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    I think we've found a winner.