Can Floyd make Shane respect him?

Then I'll have to correct you then. His 40-0 25 KO's is spread from 130-147 with one fight at 154. He made guys respect his power at 135 and especially at 130 where he had very good power. It's different as he went up in weight. He has technically only fought one true 147 lb fighter(Baldomir) against whom power was never an issue because Carlos was far too slow and limited to even catch him. His other kos at 147 came against guys more his size who had moved up(Hatton and Mitchell) and he broke them both down with accurate shots until they could take no more.

Mosley easily has a chin on par with Baldomir's and even more resolve. He possesses speed like Judah and carries enough power to hurt guys up at 154. Power that wears you down. If Floyd's power as well as the EFFECTIVENESS of his shots are not enough to make Shane think twice when going on the attack, then he also lacks the physicality of Winky or Vernon to hold Shane off up close. The fight will then showcase how much of a warrior heart he has....something you only learn when you're in that situation.

 

Zab Judah was the undisputed champ at Welterweight, how isnt he a welterweight? Mosley couldnt KO Cotto, does that mean he couldnt KO a junior welterweight who was stunned by Corley and Torres?

All 4 of these fighters were beaten up badly. Baldomir who has one of the toughest chins of the last 10 years, a fighter who Vernon Forrest a bigger fighter then Floyd couldnt stop from coming forward, was busted up and had a gash across his face. His attack was quelled in the mid-rounds. From then on it was token courage nothing more. Judah was busted up and probably on his way to being stopped when he took his only way out.

Hatton was thought to have a near granite chin, took the best punches from both Kosta Tszyu and Collazo and wasnt put away, yet Mayweather put him down.

And Marquez according to Nacho is still recovering from his beating.

Yes, as to why De La Hoya continued to walk through his punches, oh wait he didnt. And DLH has a much much better defense and boxing technique then Mosley who presents no head movement.

**** did you ever even watch pernell whitaker? Who had a lower KO percentage then Floyd? Do you think he had no pop and timing? You need to learn the difference between KO power and getting a fighters attention through technique and skills. Using your reasoning, there should be no great boxers, every great fighter would be a KO artiest. :nut

 

Judah wasnt a true welterweight? Oscar wasnt a true welterweight?


Please child.


Mosley has no head movement, porous defense, and throws wide looping punches that even a fighter on Cotto's level was able to get away from.

Mosley doesnt even win 4 rounds.

Boxing isnt about speed and strength. Its about technique, skill and ring intelligence. Something Floyd has over Mosley in abundance.

 

Michiganwarrior, in what fight would you say Floyd's power is most showcased?

I think what the threadstarter is saying is that Floyd does not have one punch ko power which is obvious.
Most of his ko's I can think of right now are stoppages with Floyd's speed and timing making the damage which led to the tkos rather than putting someone straight on their backs as in the Hatton fight.

 

Except Vernon Forrest. :-(

 

Mayorga staggered the **** out of him in the opening round of their fight too.

 

No the thread starter specifically meant pop.The ability to gain Floyds respect. You made the correct analysis that Mayweather gains his opponents respect and maximizes his power through timing and skill.


Nobody is doubting that Mayweather isnt a power puncher, but he has plenty of pop, demonstrated by the fact that he is a super featherweight fighting at welter who has maintained a clean sheet despite facing several fighters much bigger then he.

Me and you know that Mosley doesnt have the boxing skill or punching power of Oscar. What he has over Oscar is stamina, speed, and pure strength, and we know thats not how you're gonna beat Floyd. If that was the case, Hatton or Judah would have done it.

 

There are different ways of hurting people. You can hurt them with power or you can hurt them with counterpunching. If every time you throw a punch you get immediately counterpunched and you get so frustrated you stop throwing your best punches then you are hurt in a way. From then on, even with a lighter puncher, its just a long night of asswhippen.

 

I do give Mosley a shot though. It's that stamina which is gonna keep him in the late rounds, unlike Judah. Also Mosley get stronger in the late rounds which is also when his kos happen. The time to get rounds against Mosley are in the beginning of a fight rather than the end. When Oscar fought Floyd part of his gameplan was using the overhand right, something foreign to Oscar's style (personally I think Oscar's straight punches would have worked well, which he didn't use, instead throwing looping punches) but Mosley's short overhand right, almost like a hook coming from the top, is a natural tool for him. So all this coupled with his natural aggression, much more aggresive than Oscar, which says a lot since Oscar was very aggresive, make this fight a damn good one that I do feel will be competitive. And let's not forget Mosley's body attack which is brutal, with that left hook to the ribs of his.

 

Lets not also forget that Mosley did not fight the full twelver rounds against Cotto, that he tired in the mid rounds. He recovers well for late rallies, but Floyd is used to that. And if Cotto could outbox Mosley on his bike, then well, you know Floyd.

Mosley has a good over hand right, but his punches arent nearly as compact as Oscars, as well as the same amount of pop. Again Mosley is strong, but most of his KO's came from accumulation. He beat on Vargas, Mayorga and Margarito and only then did he get the KO.

Mosley just isnt strong enough in the right areas for him to win this fight in my eyes.

 

Judah was a 140 lb fighter who moved up to 147 and suceeded on large virtue due to his natural talent. It wasn't enough for him against guys like Cotto, Baldomir, or Clottey(he said this by his own admission) The DLH fight had no relevance to 147. It was strictly a money fight that garnered recognition for Floyd. It had not much credence for how he'd fair against legitimate welters than did his fight with Marquez.

 

He will make Shane respect him when Floyd uses ring generalship and quick, snapping jabs to keep Mosley at a distance for about 9 rounds, which then Shane will be mentally and physically frustrated. It is then when Floyd moves in potshotting Shane with lead left hooks and lead rights knowing that Shane has a tendency to drop his right guard down in the later rounds when he tired and looking for a knockout.

Floyd will get Shane's respect when Shane realizes that it is harder to make clean contact on Floyd than he thought after coming from a dominated win against Margarito in which Shane made clean contact all night using his speed and Margarito's weak defense coming straight forward.

I think Shane thinks he can make good contact on Floyd because he has speed, but what Shane lacks in understanding is that Floyd will neutralize Shane's speed with superb shell defense and timing.

The only chance Shane has is not getting discouraged by the minimal contact he's making and maintain aggression with the use of angles not coming straight in following Floyd around the ring. If he follows Floyd around the ring, I expect Shane to get hit with a lot of jabs.