My observations of the Dirrell/ Abraham controversy

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  1. Edward

    Edward Active Member Full Member

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    Now that the dust has settled somewhat I would like to put forward a couple of my own observations about this fight and see what you all think.

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0LvAbRSIOA&feature=related[/ame]


    Laurence Cole's reaction:

    Has anyone noticed that Laurence Cole shouts "stop" after you hear the punch land, I know videos are sometimes a little out of sync on youtube but you clearly hear the punch before the call- surely someone else noticed this. Now clearly Abraham should have realised he was infront of a downed opponent but in the heat of a fight I always thought the ref was there to take that decision away from the fighters.

    Dirrell's reaction:

    I know a lot has been made of this and please don't think for a second that I would claim that Dirrell was pretending to be hurt... that said I do think he exaggerated it. Did anyone notice that he raised his hand to his face before he fell, this isn't the behaviour of someone who has lost motor function in their body.

    That being said, the fight had to be stopped at that point. I do believe that if Dirrell got back up (as I think he could have) Cole would have taken points from Abraham and expected them to continue in which case I think a buzzed Andre Dirrell gets stopped completely unjustly.

    So in conclusion, should we have had a non contest and Laurence Cole barred from the state of Michigan, who knows?
     
  2. NALLEGE

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    Dirrell was faking, but AA did hit him while he was down so he deserved to lose...
     
  3. cougnuts510

    cougnuts510 Active Member Full Member

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    I still don't think Dirrell was faking. He took a straight hard punch to the face by a ****ing tank while he was down and very vulnerable.
     
  4. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    Noone will ever convince me that dirrell faked it

    he went down to the floor near instantly. he was a mess post fight and thought he got kayo'd.

    i also think aa did it on purpose, he pauses he throws his punch.

    those who disagree dont reply cos im sick of debating this with pig headed haters.

    end thread.
     
  5. steele311

    steele311 Wanna Dance? Full Member

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    ^lol if only it was that easy bro...
     
  6. NALLEGE

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    Dirrell was faking, and he did a great job lol... AA deserved to lose though!
     
  7. mattress

    mattress Boxing Addict Full Member

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  8. JunitoJab

    JunitoJab Antagonist Full Member

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    It's not as simple as having full motor function compared to losing motor function. He raise his hand, so what! Doesn't mean he was faking, the way the body works, and reacts to blows etc is more complex than that.
     
  9. NALLEGE

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    :rofl:rofl:rofl
     
  10. los507

    los507 Active Member Full Member

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    can't believe people think he was faking... or even exaggerating.
     
  11. boxefan

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    I don't think there is a way to "behave" when you lose motor function as you say. People react (notice i said "react") differently. you woul be knocked out 10 times and you would not react the same way each time. Anyway, if you watch the video again, I want you to pay attention to his right hand and see how it just dropped on his right thigh. If you really believe he was faking it will be easier to see the things that would make you want to believe he faked it. Did you actually listen to him after the fight?
     
  12. Brickhaus

    Brickhaus Packs the house Full Member

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    Either he was faking or he wasn't. If he was seriously buzzed, he's not going to have the mental capacity to think "oh, I could win if I fake being hurt even worse". At that point, you turn to instinct, and I doubt a guy who's never been knocked out before would have the instinct to fake being knocked out. There have been thousands of knockouts where there's a one or two second lapse between getting knocked out and the body stopping to move. Not everyone immediately crumples into a heap.

    And if he was faking, that was the best acting job in the history of boxing. The man was SOBBING when he woke up because he thought he lost. The HBO team reported that his leg was twitching when he was down. He seemed to have no idea where the hell he was or what happened. Unless you just think Dirrell wasn't hurt at all, I just don't see where he would have the mental wherewithall to pull all of that off.
     
  13. NALLEGE

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    Dirrell was faking, but he deserved to win. Two things: You never fight with loaded gloves, and you never hit a man when he is down.
     
  14. Bajingo

    Bajingo Boxing Junkie banned

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    He wasn't faking. But even if he got up Abe should have been DQ'd. Taking a shot flush to the chin from one of the hardest punchers p4p would knock any fighter out in that division, no way could Dirrell have continued.
     
  15. bkamins

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    I know a lot has been made of this and please don't think for a second that I would claim that Dirrell was pretending to be hurt... that said I do think he exaggerated it. Did anyone notice that he raised his hand to his face before he fell, this isn't the behaviour of someone who has lost motor function in their body.

    Another doctor? Listen Hippocrates, the rule for disqualifying a fighter that is guilty of an deliberate, egregious foul is not complete and total loss of mortor fuction. He was hurt. We will never know how hurt. What we do know is that he was clearly winning the fight and that Abraham paused for a second and then hit him deliberately while he was on his backside. No, he wasn't even on his knees. Watch the replay. He was down on his ass.