Kelly Pavlik is not a one punch knockout artist he's an accumulation fighter

:rofl:rofl Nice description of Paul's fighting style.


How can you not like a guy who fights like a ten-year-old on a video game controller? Doesn't get tired. Throws punches without regard to his own safety. And when he gets hit, he just pushes the controller buttons even faster.:yep

 

Agreed. Margarito's right hand could not miss when he fought Martinez. And Pavlik hits more than hard enough to hurt Martinez with one shot too.

 

Yes. It's too much to ask for. Boxing is all about nationality and race. Always has been and always will be. Although it shouldn't stop someone from making a fair analysis of who can actually win a fight.

 

Speaking of Margarito, you know he did manage to whup Martinez and knock him out right?

And Margarito isn't as technically skilled as Pavlik.

The thing with Pavlik is that he's not a fast handed fighter, so it gives opponents time to react and move out of the way of his punches, and while I agree that accumulation is typically how he stops opponents, he does have the capability to knock an opponent out with one punch.

And you may be right about Martinez, but you need to keep in mind that Williams has a tendency to wing his punches and doesn't carry the kind of snap that Pavlik's do, and he still managed to put Martinez down, but I'm not sure if Martinez was ever seriously hurt in that fight.

But in regards to Pavlik's power, I think if he connects with a solid right hand on Martinez chin and hurts him, I don't think Martinez will be cognicent enough to defend himself before getting knocked down.

Pavlik has managed to do this to a lot of fighters prior to knocking them down. He hurts them with something serious, and then throws a few bombs and puts them on the ground.

 

I don't think it's fair to compare Martinez from ten years ago to Martinez of today. Even though he has some of the same bad habits, he has learned how to cope with and compensate for them over the years.

 

#1 - Yes Martinez was hurt against Williams. Regardless of what folks on ESB might say. He was almost ready to go down in the mid-late rounds and had to hold on and bearhug to stay up.

#2 - I do agree that he could hit him with something serious and then keep bombing away for a KD. But that isn't the same as sparking someone clean.

#3 - Margarito stopped him, but I don't think it was a sparking. And while Kelly is more technically gifted than margarito, it isn't by much. Pound for Pound I would have to go with Margo on that one.

 

1) I do remember Martinez gasping for air, and when Williams did at least appear to show more strength than Martinez who at times had a look of desperation.

2) That's how it happens with most fighters with serious power though. They hit them with the stunner first, then they hit em with the show stopper.

3) I haven't see Pavlik fight since B Hop, so I'm not entirely sure what to expect, but I still think he had more PFP technical aptitude than Margarito. Kelly usually throws the right punches, but he just needs to make significant changes with his balance and stance to be a more effective all around fighter and give him a better chance against more elusive opponents.

Perhaps he made adjustments though. Have you seen him fight since B Hop?

 

He might be an accumulation puncher but he still bangs hard. If Martinez gets hit half as much as he did against Williams his head will be swelled larger than Baldomir's by the end of the fight. I think Martinez is very live in the fight but please do not compare him to Hopkins. Hopkins can make a lot of guys miss and look bad.

 

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Paul has a much higher workrate consistently, and he is a little faster, taller, rangier, and less concerned about defense than Pavlik. Pav won't present nearly the same challenge to Sergio's defense that Paul did.

He could still Margo-Cotto him, but I think Sergio is a lot tougher and more savvy than people may be giving him credit for.

 

So now we are comparing Martinez to Hopkins? At 170? I guess this Martinez guy, after beating Cintron at 154 and losing to Williams at 160, is the next "slick" second coming of Sweet Pea.

Winky looked bad against Hopkins at 170. He got beat-down. 170 is not 160. Just like 154 is not 160.

Anyone who is taking anything from the B-hop fight at 170 and formulating a conclusion that Martinez is going to do the same has not been around the fight game very long.

 

Winky moving up 10 lbs who is small btw was MUCH more competive than Pavlik-BHOp

nice try kid

 

I have to agree...but not completely, it is true Pavlik knocks most people out by accumulation of punches, but still he HAS one punch KO power. Not like Edison Miranda or Randall Bailey, but more like Carl Froch, Mikkel Kessler or Lucian Bute. The are very strong, they can knock you out with one punch, but are better at pounding you with multiple shots, to be sure to destroy you if they miss the BIG shot....si IMO, Pavlik has the one punch KO power, but really his an accumulation of punches power puncher !!!

 

Agreed. And the accidental headbut definately played a factor in the Winky fight.

That being said, Pavlik was just embarrased by Hopkins and never seriously hurt.

Winky was thrashed.

 

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