Pure boxer whoops a brawlers ass again

Went like I said it would. Pavlik the 1 demensional 1-2 stalker was gonna get beat by the more gifted, smart, speedy lateral mover martinez. The fast, slick lateral mover beats the one demensional stalker 9 out of 10.

 

I can appreciate any style and most importantly can appreciate good fights. If you're kicking ass then who gives a damn what your style is? It works for you. I love when "sluggers" beat "boxers" because ofupity purists like you who don't think that can happen or think that the "boxer" 'lost' the fight rather than the "slugger" doing the right things to negate the "boxer"

Not every fighter who is aggressive and presses forward to do damage is an unskilled laborer who will get owned by the first skilled box and move type they encounter. There can be skill to any approach: classic box and move, stalking boxer/puncher, aggressive pressure fighter, trap setting counter puncher. If their beating good competition with their style then their doing things right....eve if it's in subtle ways you might not see because it's not in a style you prefer. Boxing would be really boring if there were not so many stylistic variations and methodologies.

 

True

 

why is it every boxer who dosent box like a mayweather or roy is a brawler and everyone that can ko is a slugger.

pavlk isnt a brawler, he is not a slugger- you re getting your definitions mixed up. their are many types of boxing- philly shell defense, mexican style, euro style, slicksters, in and out guys, theyre all boxers.

sluggers are guys that throw wide , dont set up with a jab- you might call a mayorga a slugger, a rocky marciano- and brawlers are guys who take two to land one.

pavlik is neither of these. he is a disciplined boxer . as was kessler and froch. he s just a limited boxer is all. he throws the jab- and straight rights when he s in range and the hook when he can. he just lacks great skill to move with it- he lacks flavour as dirrell says. he s white to put it bluntly. he cant move like the latinos and blacks and asians of the world.

but just cos he aint slick- dont mean he s not a boxer - he just has a different boxing style. more euro than anything- straight up and back, no side to side, left then right- no lead rights or lead hooks. etc. and defense is either straight back or hands up. but he IS a boxer- this is a boxing style within the category of boxer. a euro boxer/puncher if you will.

to call someone a brawler or slugger in the 80's meant that the guy could crack but had NO jab and no skills, always threw wide- and got hit alot. im afraid that the internet with its lack of actual boxing participants- but many experts- are skewing the long held and established meanings of our sport.

next you ll have people calling kobe bryant a point guard.

 

Always huh....ever seen Chavez-Taylor, Hatton-Tszyu, Adamek-Cunningham, Baldomir-Judah, Maidana-Ortiz, Barkley-Hearns I and II, Duran-Leonard I, Jackson-Graham(I could go on) All were fighter where the presumably more skilled boxer was beaten. I'm tired o people thinking that only certain styles require skill.

 

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Couldn't have said it better. Few here appreciate the wonderful variation in styles. And if someone gets their ass kicked or doesn't fight a certain style(or both) then they automatically suck and have no skill(says the keyboard warriors banging their keys and not in the gym seeing what it really takes to be in there boxing)

 

Mayweather don't have the balls to fight guys like Williams/Pavlik unlike Martinez.

 

No way, Mayweather would not be able to do what Martinez was able to do for 12 rounds. Mayweather didn't look like the Mayweather we are all used to seeing vs. DLH and another 10 pounds would hurt him even more. Also, it's not like Pavlik didn't land on Martinez. He was doing fine from 5-9 until the cut happened. Still, Mayweather would have no chance vs Kelly Pavlik or any other MW. The size difference is far too great.

 

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I suspect, sir, that you are a ****ing idiot.

Pavlik is a MUCH better boxer than Martinez. Much better. Martinez is a much better ATHLETE than Pavlik.

You're a Dirrell fan we know. Another guy with underrated athleticism and overrated skill. Nothing wrong with that, but don't go on about guys who have limited athleticism as if they can't box. On the contrary, their ability to box is what got them to where they are today. Guys like Dirrell, Martinez, hell, Roy Jones Jr., got to where they are because they're superior athletes. Limited skill, but all the physical tools.

Pavlik is a good boxer with great power. Not a master technician, but he's way above Martinez in the skill department. And as we saw, skills do not always win fights.

 

No, not always. Learn hyperbole when you see it.

 

yous... what the **** does that mean:verysad

 

Martinez beat the crap out of Williams without having time to train for that fight. Martinez had time to train for Pavlik. Martinez was cheated out of wins vs. Cintron and Williams.

 

Pavlik was simply not there, he was physically in the ring but mentally i dunno...