Riddick v Vitali?

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  1. bodhi

    bodhi Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Vitali does not have the big punch I agree, he has more of a punishing punch and is an accumulation puncher. I don“t think you are afraid of getting knocked out by one punch of him but you feel every single one.
     
  2. bodhi

    bodhi Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Yes, Lewis looked tired himself BUT he adepted and turn the tide of the fight in the 5th and 6th. The fight turned into his favour and this could not be overlooked. In the sixth I was sure Lewis would win the fight.
     
  3. mcvey

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    The Donald that Bowe fought was 27 years old and unbeaten.The Donald that Vitali fought was 35 and had won only one of his last 3 fights ,and that against a journeyman Yet you make a comparison as to how they fared against him. That's really objective.:patsch

    Lennox Lewis is a consensus top ten Heavyweight .Vitali is NOT, so Suzie's statement regarding them is correct.
     
  4. punchy

    punchy Well-Known Member Full Member

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    This is a point Bowe TKOD Holyfield something which nobody else did until the Toney fight, not Tyson or Lewis Bowe's poor training habits and lifestyle caught up with him and he lost interest in fighting. If I exchange Vitali for Golota, Vitali wins If I exchange Vitali for Holyfield, Bowe wins. Bowe is an ******* where Vitali and Wlad are a credit to boxing one came back from devastating injuries and the other from devastating defeats something the likes of Bowe would never do but he was a great champion in his short prime.
     
  5. Mendoza

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    I was comparing two of the same opponents. Donald was in top shape for Vitali. So was Hide. If you want to focus on Donald's age, we can also focus on Vitali's relative in-experience going into that fight. Besides, 35 these days is not ancient for a heavyweight...escpially one who never took a good deal of punishment in the ring like Donald.

    Bottom line: Vitali looked better vs Donald and Hide than Bowe did.
     
  6. Mendoza

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    Why, because its true. Even Max Kellerman who wasn't a fan of the Klitschko's says Lewis crashed down hard on his stool at the end of the 6th round, and he never saw Lewis that tired. Lewis was in fact down 4-2 on all three cards, which means he needs to win the next 4 of 6 rounds had the fight gone on to produce a draw.

    Do you really think Lewis, who was never a high attrition type of puncher, could have out worked Vitali? I do not. We all saw how much energy Vitali had left when he learned the fight was stopped on cuts.

    Regardless of the loss on cuts, Vitali proved he could take a top punch,and out box a man who has never been out boxed. That is a positive if you ask me.

    It is also fact that Lewis said he would give a re-match. That would have been a huge night for boxing! Lewis had legit offers of 15+ million. He also ran his mouth, and certainly wasn't talking like a retired fighter. When the cards were down for the fight, Lewis declined. Deep down he knows he would not be as lucky in the re-match.

    The WBC told Lewis is he does not take the re-match, he looses his belt, so he retired. No only did Vitali do well vs. Lewis, he also nudged him into retirement after Lewis painted himself into a corner.
     
  7. Mendoza

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    But of course. Once Again Seamus provides reason. I'm not going to get sucked in to a Lewis vs Vitali thread here. All I will say is Vitali fought Lewis on less than 2 weeks notice, and chased him for the re-match. We all know that Bowe flat out ducked Lewis.
     
  8. Fighting Weight

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    Cards are irrelevent if the fight gets stopped, how many times must this point be made :patsch

    Lewis was losing against Bruno too, and just like the VITLAY fight he didn't panic, wasn't worried at all because he knew the man he was facing couldn't take his punches for 12 rounds and the cards wouldn't matter.
     
  9. Fighting Weight

    Fighting Weight Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Do you really think VITLAY, who has never absorbed punishment too well, would be able to stand another 6 rounds of what he took in that 6th round?

    Judging by the state of his face at the end I'd say the answer is a resounding no.
     
  10. Brighton bomber

    Brighton bomber Loyal Member Full Member

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    I've said it before and I 'll say it again, Bowe is overrated based upon his performances against Holyfield. He had some aesthetically pleasing attributes like his size and good and varied punch technique but he was also a very flawed fighter. A young Wlad was also very aesthically pleasing to watch hence all the hype but he is a far superior fighter now though less pleasing to watch. Bowe lacked mobility, didn't utilise his height and jab effectively and was very easy to hit.

    He was lucky to come up against a great champion like Holyfield who didn't hit very hard and had a tendency to brawl which suited Bowe's style. Had Holyfield had a more potent punch he would have KO'ed Bowe and when he did box in the second fight he did beat Bowe. How can a fighter standing 6 feet 5 get outboxed and out jabbed by a 6 feet 2 former cruiser weight?

    Vitali would grind Bowe down and KO him prime for prime. Vitali is the bigger man and knows how to utilise those attributes. Bowe would be out jabbed for the whole fight and would be forced to do something he rarely had to do which was chase an opponent and cut of the ring. Most opponents being smaller were forced to come to him which meant his lack of mobilty was never an issue that along with his poor defence would be his undoing in this fight.
     
  11. lefthook31

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    No we all really saw how much ability Vitali had when the fight went to the inside. Are you kidding with this crap? Bowe proved himself in two of the most grueling heavyweight matches in history along with outwilling Golota twice in two fights where he was shot to pieces. Vitali couldnt hold up in three rounds of comparable combat, but he would beat Bowe? Give me a break. :patsch
     
  12. Beeston Brawler

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    Let's be honest with ourselves here.

    Bowe would whip Vitali inside six rounds.

    I'm neither here nor there on Vitali, but he does get an awful lot of credit - far too much - for giving Lewis a fair argument before losing by stoppage.

    Forget the old ''Lewis won on cuts'' argument - the cut was caused by punches - not by illegal dreadlocks or a beard..... and correct me if I'm wrong, but it wasn't the first fight in boxing history where the winner was behind on the cards at the time of the stoppage!

    Hearns was beating Leonard
    Graham was schooling Jackson
    Bruno was beating Lewis

    etc etc

    Vitali's record simply doesn't stand up, even in comparison to Bowe, who clearly has the weakest resume of the fab four of the 1990's - two wins over Holyfield and a few wins over B level types......... as opposed to a **** load of C level opponents and cans.
     
  13. Faerun

    Faerun Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Nobody has ever come close to outworking Vitali who still has a ridiculously high work rate (>1000 punches in his last bout) with 39 years. No way Bowe could keep up or even outperform such a punch rate.

    I don't want to side with Bowe or Vitali, I'm just saying that a UD win against VK is the least likely outcome I can think of. Beating Vitali requires some crazy power in your fists and lot of good luck trying to TKO him by injuries or cuts and Bowe certainly has enough power but I can't see a UD win for him in this one. So it's either a TKO for him or a UD/TKO loss.
     
  14. Double Jay

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    Lets. Vitaly TKO Bowe in 9 or 10 rounds.
     
  15. SuzieQ49

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