Riddick v Vitali?

Don't skip the "good luck" part. ; )

 

I definitly agree with the bold part.

Come on Suzie, you know better than that.


I haven´t decided yet who I take. Close fight, I wouldn´t count Vitali out but I think McGrain is the closest to the truth.

 

"Good Luck" that Vitali does not have the mentality of a champion? That he cowers when the going gets tough? That he does not respond well to pain under adversity?

Bowe would outclass Vitali. Lennox in his prime would destroy Vitali. Let's face it. Vitali is nowhere near those two in terms of ability. He also has never defeated a top notch fighter in his whole career.

 

Just curious,

What heavyweight has vitali ever beaten that is even close to the ability of a prime Evander Holyfield?

 

How can you write this with a supposedly straight face and have the king of tank jobs as your avatar?

 

You should refrain from turning speculations into facts. Since Bowe is not active anymore we will never be certain of the result but let's examine a few aspects which can be used as an indicator that Bowe would have a hard time with Vitali:

1. Work rate and stamina. Vitali has a tremendous punch rate und is capable of keeping it up to round 12. This is a fact and cannot be disproven with your "he has never fought a Holyfield-calibre"-thesis since those two factors are barely influenced by the fighter you're facing and can be observed anytime. As I said, I can't see a UD/MD/SD win for Bowe here.

2. His chin. Do you remember Lewis' uppercut in round 6 (IIRC) vs. Vitali? How many fighters would have shown such little reaction to such an enormous blow? Vitali's chin is granite that's why I almost rule out the possibility of a KO victory pro Bowe.

3. Lewis himself said that Vitali is hard to hit. Despite the physical condition Lewis went into the fight, his mind was clear and when Lennox Lewis says that Vitali Klitschko is hard to hit then you better believe him.

And again, I don't take sides with anybody here but your radical "Vitali has no skillZ bcause he has fought no1" can easily be disproven. Vitali - Bowe would probably be a very competitive fight with the most likely result being a UD for VK in my own humble opinion.

 

1. Liston fought 8 rounds with a Broken Jaw. He also shook off a badly broken nose and came back to win the fight. When has vitali displayed toughness like this?

2. There is a major difference quitting in a fight where your getting your asses handed to you and there is no need to take anymore unecessary punishment to the head, vs quitting on your stool with 2 rounds to go while your well ahead on the cards vs a feather fisted cruiserweight.

 

And Bowe doesn't? Bowe fought in one of the most gruelling wars in heavyweight history over 12 rounds. He won the fight too, over a Hall of fame prime Evander Holyfield, who is far better than vitali ever could hope to be. When has vitali beaten such a great prime fighter in a 12 round war?

Bowe has the edge here

1. Lennox was Overweight, 37 years of age, and looked lethargic and rusty as hell. All symptoms that point to him being far past his prime by 2003.

2. Taking one Lewis uppercut isn't that impressive. Taking sustained heavy punches from a guy like Lewis or Bowe is a different matter. One in which Vitali is unproven in. I have no doubt if Bowe can get in his licks every round, Vitali will crumble. It's just his nature. I also question your claim his chin is undentable. Vitali was hurt and rocked badly by a 39 year old Journeyman Corrie Sanders. I could argue he was knocked down by punches.

Lewis was far past his prime. He was vulnerable to being beaten by anyone that night. Vitali still couldn't find a way to win. Lennox with his soft overweight body and slow lethargic punches were going to find any target difficult to hit that night. If Vitali had faced a prime lennox lewis, it would have been a one sided slaughter.

Well if it can, you certainly did not do a successful job in "exposing" me.

Well thats your opinion. I heavily disagree. Bowe is in another class than vitali in terms of fighting and skill. Bowe at his best either stops vitali late, or wins a clear cut decision. I lean toward the former.

 

I have never seen a heavyweight with such a **** poor resume, get rated so highly in my life. It's pathetic. Vitali is the most overrated heavyweight of all time. It is amazing how many Klit fans continuously bring up the lewis fight as if Vitali actually won the fight.


I would pick Evander Holyfield in his prime to clearly beat Vitali. Bowe? He would outclass Vitali big time.

 

Well, VK showed great resilience fighting LL but fighting with a broken jaw is hard to beat it terms of toughness, sure. But you have to take account of the fact that Vitali's jaw has never been ripped apart...
His RTD loss against Byrd was absolutely unnecessary but his reaction was brilliant when Vitali showed a great will to win against LL although being heavily damaged. So if we're talking of prime Bowe vs. Prime Vitali then we're talking of '92 Holyfield-beating Bowe and '03 not-giving up Vitali and not the '00 version, right?

Sure, but how is that related to the topic? Vitali recovered quickly from his defeat und changed his attitude. That's when he hit his prime and that's the VK we're talking of when talking about the Bowe - Klitschko fantasy match. There's no point in overanalyzing a fight prior to his prime.

I'm kind of frustrated that you neglect all of my valid arguments (previous post) and that you simply go on bashing VK without showing the will to think about what I wrote. Since you give me the impression that you have no interest to change your mind, I don't see the point of our conversation.

EDIT: I see you have edited and expanded your previous entry.

 

Are you saying Vitali was not in his prime when he fought Bryd? I find that hard to believe

I absolutely do not plan on changing my mind about Bowe vs Vitali. Not one thought ever crosses my mind that Vitali can beat Bowe. I don't see it. Vitali is not that good. He has been dominant over 2nd tier competition in perhaps the weakest era of all time. Vitali is uncoordinated, he is sloppy, he throws arm punches, he pushes his jab, he keeps his hands too low, he lacks one punch power, he doesn't respond well to pain..and in the two biggest fights of his career he lost them both.

 

Why is that? What top notch prime master boxer has vitali ever beat? Riddick Bowe won a unanimous decision over a Prime Evander Holyfield. Holyfield is a far better boxer than Vitali could ever dream of being.

 

Per point 1, when did a light heavy ever break Vitali's jaw?

Per point 2, the cards were EVEN in the Clay fight where Liston quit and God only knows why he quit so early in the Ali fight.

It seems some around here relish the application of inequal standards to fighters of different eras. I've had about enough of this intellectual cretinism and am choosing to move along to the next topic.

 

Are you ******ed? This is a serious question because I presume you have seen his fight against Lewis. How did Vitali act like a cowered?

 

See the 1st question above.