Valero Arrested: Allegedly Murdered his Wife

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  1. Lynchburg

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    Valero has wasted his life! What a fool!

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  2. David Fanning

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    Sorry to hear that. I find myself in a very similar situation, coming from long lines of drunks on both sides. Though I don't drink, I have not been so lucky in other areas. Some have addictive personalities, which I may be guilty of to some degree myself, but I believe any chemical dependency problems I may or may not have or had are due to personal circumstances.

    In my dad's case, he was a very violent drunk. About 30 years ago he hospitalized a guy in a bar fight over nothing. He drank for years, very heavily, but after sobering up and realizing what he did that night, he went cold turkey and hasn't touched a drop of alcohol since. So, we view the causes and cures differently. I was tought by my dad that mind altering drugs are a mental weakness (don't say that **** at drug counselling or an AA meeting, they'll lynch you for that).
     
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    Yeah, well next time read the @#!#$@$# TS moron lol...then maybe you won't ask such an utterly stupid question half wit!
     
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    I truly believe that psychopathy along with other mental diseases have a biological explanation. Biology and psychology are interrelated.
     
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    Surprised no one saw this coming. Valero suffered from CES (Crazy Eyes Syndrome).

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    [ame]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhetorical_question[/ame]
     
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    Science also said there were 9 planets in the Solar System. Science also said there was 109 elements to the periodic table.

    Your statement is wrong for a start, but again it's 'most'. Why aren't all of these so called psychopaths doing it?
     
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    How are you gonna beat and murder her?

    The man has obviously had big time problems mentally, and i wasnt surprised when i heard about the murder. Says alot about him and the people who surround him, if a guy halfway across the world could see it coming.
     
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    So if you are physical abused as a child you aren't going to want to maybe take that out on somebody else, or as a reverse not want to inflict that on other people?

    Of course it has something to do with it. What you are exposed to, what you know and what you see are obviously linked to behaviour, and that includes violent behaviour.

    And to you Bernie, if alcoholism and addiction are genetic conditions, why can some people be cured through psychological method?
     
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    His admittance makes me wonder if he felt remorse. Regardless, he can feel all the remorse he wants, murder is one of those things that you can't take back, or undo.
     
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    Because not every psychopath is stupid and violent. But since you think you know so much about psychopaths why don't you date one and find out what they are like? Why don't you try to change a psychopath and see what happens.

    Upbringing might keep a psychopath from becoming a murderer but it wont keep a psychopath from acting psychopathic. The psychopath can learn right from wrong based on the consequences but the psychopath does not have the benefit of feeling fear or empathy so they'll make way too many mistakes.
     
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    Did Valero confess to killing his wife? Like did he say, "I did it, I stabbed her"?
     
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    I'm happy for you, that your father found a way out of it. I think things like addictions, violent behavior etc are like most things; there are a lot of ways for it to come about. Some of it nature, some of it nurture. You can compare it to a heart attack. Maybe the guy got one because he ate too much bacon BUT if you do an MRI on someone and you see that they have a defective valve or something, you don't have to wait until they have an actual heart attack to know that they're going to have one eventually. Same thing with psychopaths. There are certain deformities of the brain that are positively identified with this type of behavior, and there are plenty of cases of people exhibiting psychotic behavior after a brain injury, and not before.

    I don't know if Valero is a classic true psychopath or just has a psychosis. It's definitely one or the other. You don't beat on your wife and sister or brutally murder your beautiful wife unless there's something very, very wrong with you. From the reports coming out, his violence was out of control in every area of his life before this incident.
     
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    What a disgrace.

    I think most of us knew he was going to do something horrific at anytime. Tragic.

    RIP Mrs Valero
     
  15. Boxmaster

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    It's kind of difficult to stab a person you claim to love, watching the tears in their eyes as you brutally murder them and then try to claim you felt empathy or remorse. It's the brutality of the murder that leads me to believe remorse is unlikely. If the woman were drugged in her sleep or if she were killed in some painless fashion then I would believe he has empathy because killers with empathy typically don't like stabbing their victims and watching them bleed out.

    Also he beat his own mother. He's a psychopath because I don't know anyone messed up enough to do that. Even the majority of psychopaths aren't as bad as Valero but the reason I believe he's a psychopath is because this guy's behavior fits the profile combined with his persona in the ring.

    And if hes not then he has psychosis but I doubt it because hes going to use that as the insanity defense just like his wife fell down the stairs and he wouldn't accept responsibility.