If there was any problem with the last round of Bute-Andrade I, like pasky said, it was the fact that the referee could have stop the fight because Bute was defenseless, having no energy left. But the knockdown shouldn't be part of that problem because every IBF rules were respected.
No I get where you are coming from, and this discussion with you is all good, your points are valid and not deluded. I do focus on the fans quite a bit. It's sad to say, but fighter fans is one thing I would remove from boxing if I could. They almost ALWAYS destroy any rational discourse about a fighter, a fight or anything. And I due rail against particular places and their chronic hometown decisions, not just Montreal. I have spoken out about Germany and England also. It's just Montreal is the latest, especially since this quick stoppage was so ironic as opposed to the last controversial fight there. However when it comes to picking fights or evaluating fights I am very dispassionate, which I think aggravates fighter fans even more. When I talk about Pavlik, Pavlik fans call me a hater against him, while you see Bute fans think I am hating on Bute because I think Bute would only win by decision or late stoppage. For teh record I think Bute is a B+ fighter and would favor him to beat Abraham, Kessler, Froch, Dirrell, and Hopkins. I think he would lose to Ward and Dawson. In Montreal, that makes me a hater, and I'm ok with that. Keith
All good. But a lot of guys here tend to generalized. Don't say "in Montreal i am a hater" if 5 guys from Montreal here think you are. Its just ridiculous. You talked about bad things in Germany and England? See my points? How about USA? All fine there? EVERYWHERE! Now, you say you you would remove fighter fans from boxing? Easy to do. Stop coming here. Not asking you to do that mate! When i'm tired like you, i avoid ESB forum. Just read article on ESB home page. Cheers! EDIT: By the way, i might be a Bute's fan but i think i can say with true objectivity that Bute's fans are far from being the worst here! A lot of fans like me just think he's a very good fighter!
Well I obviously don't think ALL of Montreal thinks that , you are being a tad pendantic there. All I did was give my opinion of Montreal fights and picked Ward to win the fight, then the Bute fan club came out and threw a shitstorm about it. It doesn't bother me, and doesn't prevent me from coming here, I've been on this site for 9 years and seen fighter fans come and go as their fighters rise and fall, but the TRUE boxing fans hang around. As soon as Bute's career goes into decline, half the people on this thread alone will disappear, I have seen it ten times over. have a great night! Keith
Bute is a good fighter with power. I'd like to see him box with someone slick, see his gameplan before predicting a KO against Ward. I still favor Ward at this point.
Bute is very good. Assuming he will handle a fighter like Ward based on who he has beaten so far is a stretch. Andrade, Berrio, and Miranda are all very limited come forward fighters. Just because Bute hasn't done it yet doesn't mean he can't, I just think the end of his run will occur right around the time he faces Ward.
Interesting fight, this is would be a competitive match up. this fight could go either way but i'd favor Lucian Bute considering that he could beat Andre ward by decision or knockout. Andre ward would have to fight a discipline fight where he would have to pick his spots to go on the offensive because of Bute's power.