Vitali Klitschko vs. Muhammad Ali

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  1. Gander Tasco

    Gander Tasco Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Vitali has skill?
     
  2. punchy

    punchy Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Vitali would be the one coming forward, Ali's speed with his jab and his ability to slip Vitali's would be the key here.
     
  3. kickbxn5

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    How the hell can you even say Klitschko in the same sentence as.
    Ali (see, two different sentences here)
     
  4. Mendoza

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    Vitali does not always come forward. Sometimes he prefers the action come his way. Vitali would have a significant height advantage here, and a significant punch out put advantage as well.
     
  5. Mendoza

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    In terms of reach the way HBO defines it, from the pit of the arm to the fist, Vitali owns the record at 29.5"...even more than Lewis.

    Liston had broad shoulders and long fingers....but as you know long fingers mean jack. Its the distance from the arm to the first that matters for reach.

    BTW, Whitehurst went the distance with Liston. Vitali would stop Whitehurst.
     
  6. Mendoza

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    WOW. I gave Jones 4 rounds, and Ali 6. It was a close fight. You only gave Doug Jones 1 or 2 rounds in this 10 round fight?

    I took your Louis vs. Pastor score card at face value. Now I want to score it myself.
     
  7. Mendoza

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    By the standard that the knockdown came at the tail end of the round, the ropes let Ali fall as softly as possible, and Cooper did not have a chance to follow up as the round ended.

    By the standard that Dundee jumped in the ring to escort Ali to his corner ( Could be illegal , and in some fights constitutes a DQ ).

    By the standard that Ali was dazed in his corner, and Dundee used smelling salts which is illegal in British boxing. When Ali came too, his eyes looked like pinballs. He did not know where he was. Watch the tape.

    I recommend watching ESPN's Ali the young champion. In that documentary, Dundee comments about the delay as well. Watch it sometime.
     
  8. Fighting Weight

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    I bet Liston would stop Byrd though, and Kevin Johnson.
     
  9. McGrain

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    Punch out put tends to drop when a slower opponent fights a highly mobile opponent. These numbers are not black and white.


    :lol:


    And I love the way Klitschko fans try to endlessly discredit the method for measuring reach that has been used forever whenever they are confonted with an opponent with superior reach. It makes my head ache.

    Like Vitali doesn't have broad shoulders.

    Like Vitali has tiny Jeremy Beadle hands.
     
  10. McGrain

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    Ali came up at four.

    I watched the tape, yes.

    "Ali did not know where he was."

    He was in discussion with his corner. He was not in extremely hurt. He was up at four, talking. That's nearly knocked out to you?

    "His eyes looked like pinballs."

    I'm not sure what this is meant to mean, but his eyes look okay to me.

    "Watch the tape."

    Whole thing is on YouTube.

    "Dundee speaks about the delay aswell."

    Whole thing is on YouTube. Delay is almost non-existant.





    Ali was up at 3 or 4. He looked hurt in the corner. He left the corner with no difficulty at the beginning of the new round. In the next action of the fight, Cooper was stopped.

    Nearly knocked out?

    Shite.
     
  11. Fighting Weight

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    Saved me the trouble of typing it out, thanks. Not that it'll do any good though....a 21 year old Ali/Clay gets no excuses for getting dropped like that, whereas every excuse in the book comes flying out for WALDO's losses to Purrity, Sanders and Brewster, not to mention VITLAYS quit job, 'used tampon face' against Lewis, and the fact that Sanders put him on his arse.

    You're dealing with the king of double standards here mate, remember that.
     
  12. SuzieQ49

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    Bryd and an over the hill Lennox Lewis TKO'd Vitali. Liston would knock them both out.
     
  13. SuperSouthpaw

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    Had Corrie been in his prime, he would have eaten vitali alive and spit out his bones.


    Look what a past his prime Corrie did to Vitali's face
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  14. The Mongoose

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    Doubtful, I'm a huge Liston fan but he was subpar when it came to cutting off the ring. Byrd and Johnson would run for their lives and lose wide decisions.
     
  15. Fighting Weight

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    Yep.

    Byrd would have been a no contest for Liston, he'd have just flattened the guy. VITLAY hit him with everything but the kitchen sink, couldn't get the guy out of there so he quit and regardless of anything the Klit-ites tell you, that's a mental weakness right there.

    As for a 37 year old, fat and lazy Lewis....Liston by KO. Lewis might have won the event though :rofl:rofl:rofl