Kelly Pavlik Logs In Worst Perfomance of His Career

The kids head, mental state, whatever you want to call it isn't in the right place. He is not where a champion SHOULD be. He has shown heart in the past, THAT part of his game seemed to be missing in the Martinez fight. The Espino fight was a great example of things to come, he fought an inside fight and took WAY to many shots he didn't have to. You can get away with it with inferior fighters but not on the top level. What was hard to understand about that?

 

The Martinez loss is worse simply because he was a smaller fighter, Pavlik was at his suppos-ed natural weight, and Martinez wasn't regarded on the elite P4P level that Hopkins was prior to both fights.

 

I for one am not saying that at all. I said it from the start, Martinez fought the fight he was suppose to. And executed beautifully. Credit where credit is due. No question. I was wanting Pavlik to win, but I don't think it's unfair to say that his head wasn't in the fight based on some of his past fights. It's also possible that he has a thin skin, he's taken a lot of heat since he's been Champ and he DOES talk a lot about "The Critics" of him, so maybe that has effected him as well..

 

Again, you are assuming it was a different Pavlik but not taking into account it was a different opponent for him. It's easy to say "Pavlik outjabbed Lockett, where was his jab?" or "Pavlik's right couldn't miss against Rubio, where was it?" but Martinez is neither Rubio or Lockett. It's the same here. Some elusive fighters are great in the clinch and Martinez is better than Miranda and Taylor. It's a skill and Martinez knows what to do there, unlike the other two. They don't even know how to clinch when hurt, so what makes you think they'd be able to work the clinch either?

 

I know, I wasn't quoting those things as something you said. That's what some other Pavlik fans have said and haven't said much about giving credit to Martinez. I was just explaining that there's nothing wrong with being a fan, but other fans should be congratulatory to the fighter who beat you're fighter rather than coming up with things that infer "Oh Pavlik would have won if this and this happened or didn't happen"

 

I think it is fair to ask about Pavlik's mental state. In the Espino fight, he completely abandoned his game plan which SHOULD have started with his jab which was a complete afterthough. If he indeed would have stuck to that Espino wouldn't have touched him. For whatever reason, the focus wasn't there. And he decided to abandon his game plan which he could have imposed on Espino. While I certainly don't think it's an excuse for ANY fighter, the question has to be raised and asked if a %100 Physically & Mentally ready Pavlik would have a different outcome vs. Martinez or any other "Higher Echelon" fighter.

 

Again, you are assuming it was a different Pavlik but not taking into account it was a different opponent for him. It's easy to say "Pavlik outjabbed Lockett, where was his jab?" or "Pavlik's right couldn't miss against Rubio, where was it?" but Martinez is neither Rubio or Lockett. It's the same here. Some elusive fighters are great in the clinch and Martinez is better than Miranda and Taylor. It's a skill and Martinez knows what to do there, unlike the other two. They don't even know how to clinch when hurt, so what makes you think they'd be able to work the clinch either?

 

Or maybe and even more important question is where does he go from here? I think he needs to put Lowe in his corner as second maybe and start rebuilding. Kelly seems real loyal, and while it's admirable, it's not always good for business. Where does he go from here? Does he try and redeem himself with Martinez, or move up to 168 and try his work there? He had some real tough decisions ahead that's for sure.

 

In a way, it was a close fight but i thought the 9th round was a 10-8 round for Martinez. But Martinez did beat the hell out of Pavlik in which nobody can complain about that one.

 

It's quite possible that Hopkins took something out of Pavlik, you never know. I remember watching him fight Rubio and thinking he looked like ****.

 

Damn Boo, It's too much now. take some time off. Time heals all wounds.

Boo took a lil time, came back and took all the **** that was thrown at him. Give him a break...

 

115-112 with a knockdown scored against the winner is not a close fight.

What makes this loss have more impact is that this was a better Pavlik than the one Hopkins fought. I voted for Hopkins in that poll, because he was the one who took the aura of invulnerability away. The argument for Martinez is that he was the one who took a champion coming off a series of successful pick-me-up title defenses and boxed his face off.
Pavlik isn't retroactively a bum - he was better that night than he was against Hopkins.
But the lessons Pavlik was given by Hopkins?
Martinez learned them a long time ago and has had over a decade longer to do the homework.
Pavlik's potential is unknown. Martinez knows exactly who he is and what he's capable of.

You seem undecided about Loew. Or bitter.

 

as ungracious and pathetic as your original post.please repost this for the 4th time going back to 2nd post which was simply simply delete.you're the most pathetic,nuthugger on ESB who takes himself so seriously
he posts war and peace length apology threads to Andre Dirrell and his fans for under estimating him thinking Andre Dirrell or his fans give a **** what a poster called Booradley on a forum thinks.face facts thats the best Kelly Pavlik hes just not that good.:-(