Jack Johnson vs. Rocky Marciano

Whilst I am a fan of the Rock I think he is a little overrated due to not losing. He fought many guys past there best.

I think Johnson in his prime had the skills to hold off Marciano for 15 rounds to win a decision.

 

I don't see any way Johnson could win this fight. Eventually he would get chin checked by Marciano and KOed.

 

He went the distance with Nino Valdes too,and Rocky didn't floor him either.

 

Do you think Johnson's chin was so vulnerable then?
After Choynsky stopped a still developnig Johnson in 1901, Johnson went another 14 years before being stopped after 26rds when he was 37.

 

Here is a picture of the Marciano-Simmons fight. As you can see, Marciano is cut over his left eye, but it does not look to be bad enough to be in danger of hte fight being stopped.

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Yea, But I heard Rocky busted him up badly and was giving him potential Brain damage

 

Looks a little like the Walcott face, brain damage indeed. Rocky was never in danger of a fight being stopped on cuts, The elbow=nose incident was bad but Rocky pulled it out...his group of opponents are highly underrated and I am not sure too many of the ATG's could have fought this group without a loss-easier said than done.

I love a lot of fighters but Rocky was a freak of them all= 5"11 and short-armed but he was awkward and had ferocious power in a 6-inch punch but the thing I love the best about him was the GIANT that lived within him.

 

Rocky break Johnson down at the seams in a tough, grueling fight for a late stop.

 

I don't even think this fight would be competitive. Johnson would be completely out of his depth and outclassed.

 

According to both the referees ,and Rocky's own corner men, Marciano was in danger of being tkod in both the Charles and Simmons fights.
I am not trying to denigrate him at all,just going by what I have read and also seen, [the Charles fight].
As to Simmons being in danger of sustaining brain damage, I think that is a little over the top.Marciano was a real banger and he ruined a lot of fighters, who were diminished after he was through with them.Walcott,Charles,Lastarza,Cockell , I don't underestimate him at all.

 

Originally Posted by Mendoza
Not so. Researchers ( not box rec ) count at least 20 Jack Johnson fights prior to meeting Choynski. Check the Cyber boxing zone page's for Johnson and you'll see.

SuzieQ,

I was a member of the IBRO for a few years and still correspond with quite a few members who rarely post on the web. I passed on membership recently since my time for re-search is less. I got married took a promotion at work, and purchased a new home. I digress.

I count 24 Jack Johnson fights prior to being Ko'd by Choynski, so the green card is not the best one to play here. Johnson wasn't a kid for this match either, he was 23. Also the fight took place in his home town.

Where did you read Johnson was 168 pounds? This seems off as the photo has him looking thicker and heavier than Choynski. Johnson best weight seems to range from 185-210.



1894
John Lee Galveston, Tx W 16 -Some sources report "KO 15"Undated (circa 1894-95) Dave Pierson Galveston, Tx W 1895Apr 11

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Galveston, Tx L 4 -Some sources report 1899 1896 Cherokee Kansas City, Ks KO Howard Pollar Galveston, Tx W 1897 Jim Rocks Galveston, Tx KO 4 Sam Smith Galveston, Tx W 10 1898 Reddy Bremer Galveston, Tx KO 3 Jim Cole Galveston, Tx W 4 Henry Smith Galveston, Tx D 15 1899Feb 11 Jim McCormick Galveston, Tx D 7Mar 17 Jim McCormick Galveston, Tx WF 7May 6

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Chicago, Il LT 4Dec 16 Pat Smith Galveston, Tx D 12 1900Mar 7 John Lee Galveston, Tx W 15Mar 20 Willie McNeal Galveston, Tx KO 15Apr 6 Bob White Galveston, Tx W 15Apr 12 Charley Brooks Galveston, Tx KO 2May 1 Jim Scanlan Galveston, Tx KO 7May 6 Jim McCormick Galveston, Tx KO 2May 28 Jim McCormick Galveston, Tx KO 7Jun 12 Horace Miles Galveston, Tx KO 3Jun 25

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Galveston, Tx D 20 -Some sources report 6/28/00Oct George Lawler Galveston, Tx KO 10Nov Josh Mills Memphis, Tn W 12Dec 27

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Memphis, Tn TK 14 -Some sources report 12/28/00 1901Feb 25 Joe Choynski Galveston, Tx LK 3 -Both fighters were arrested after the fight

 

Can you make a post without mentioning chin? I think if you can't, yo just don't post.

 

I can see Johnson winning most of the early rounds, but Rocky's work on the inside starts adding up and he keeps throwing bombs. By the mid rounds, he goes a gear up and Johnson has to resort more and more to clinching. During the 9th, Johnson can't keep him off him, and is baffled by an opponent throwing combinations instead of falling into a clinch after each punch.... Marciano stops him late.