Why do we needed judges when we have compu box?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Round1gymDC, Apr 24, 2010.


  1. Round1gymDC

    Round1gymDC Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Men Lie, woman lie compu box dont!

    If we can calcualte who landed the most power punches and who landed the most jabs, hooks, right hand ect, why can't boxing just come up with an formula that uses compu box, instant replay and other theories to determine a winner. As of right now everything is oppinated by a bunch of know it alls, and when refs miss knockdowns judges who no better, but are not allowed to score it are useless. That works the other way around to when a fighter gets triped and it is called a knockdown.

    I'm not saying we wait 20xtra minutes to determine a winner I'm saying why can't we have reviewers like how football does, so when the fight is still going on there watching controversal acts that take place during the fight

    I'm not say compu box is perfect, but he'll it's better than paid off home town judges. I had an agrument with an idiot who told me "Judah got cheated in the mayweather fight so that's why he's not gonna watch Mosley vs
    Mayweather, I simply told check compu box and get back to me.
    I still know pridefull mexicans he think Oscar beat Floyd, I know it was boring and looked close to the naked eye, but compubox doesn't lie when it comes to numbers and percentages. I mean we do everything else in the world by % why not this.


    I'm not saying this Is the only answer, but it sure beats dumb judges, because at the end of the day we need one system to judge a fight by, some people I gave him that round because he was the agressor, and some say ring generalship or even cleaner punches.

    No wonder nobody wants to fight Paul Williams other than him being skilled, chances are he's gonna throw more punches and be the agressor so depending on what these judges like I don't see to Many people getting a UD on him, that might be what has Martinez fans going nuts even though it was to close to call for me.


    Side note: after Kessler beats froch, and Adamak beats Arreola I wouldn't have lost a fight bet since Cotto vs Pacman, and I'm including all the hard to pick fights and commercial fights. I'm also undefeated in super 6 unless you really think Froch be Dirrell.


    Sorry for the bad gramma I'm on my iPhone !!!
     
  2. techks

    techks ATG list Killah! Full Member

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    It's not as easy as it sounds. Just because someone landed more doesn't mean they automatically win because the fight is judged on a round-to-round basis and whoever wins the most rounds wins the fight, not who lands the most.
     
  3. truewarrior

    truewarrior Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Because then boxing would be like the gay ass olympics.
     
  4. MagicMan91

    MagicMan91 The Main Event Mafia Full Member

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    What if someone lands 300 punches in one round & zero in the rest while the other guy lands 299 in the rest of the fight. The other dude should have won the other 11 but would have lost on compubox scoring.

    What's needed IMO is a way to eradicate hometown bias but still have people judge although that's easier said than done
     
  5. Round1gymDC

    Round1gymDC Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Why cant we go round by round with compu box then?
     
  6. rccwilliams

    rccwilliams Sippin' on some sizzurp Full Member

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    Because Compubox is just a couple of guys counting punches. Just as fallible and influenceable as anyone else.

    And if Compubox chimps are working for HBO, the Compubox stats could favor the fighter that's in HBO's best interest.
     
  7. BrooklynMumin

    BrooklynMumin HOPKINS A " G " Full Member

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    THIS FOR GOD SAKES:patsch:patsch:patsch
     
  8. threethirteen

    threethirteen Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Because the number of punches landed doesn't equal who landed the best punches. You score on effective aggression - so, if you land ten shots in a round and each one has the opponent reeling, then that should outscore 20 jabs that did nothing.

    Compubox is interesting statistically and can sometimes tell the story of a fight, but remember it's still just people pressing a button every time a punch is landed. They get it wrong at times too.

    The subjective nature of scoring a fight, despite the guidelines, means some fighters get a better chance with different judges. Some guys like pure boxing, some like aggression. Sometimes a guy is outlanding, but he's getting pressed back and is really struggling - how do you score that?
     
  9. Edward

    Edward Active Member Full Member

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    Are you suggesting that effective aggression, ring generalship and defence should be discarded from the scoring system?

    In my opinion, punch stats provide one single indicator as to who won a fight not a definitive guide.
     
  10. horst

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    Because Compubox is so inaccurate it's pointless. It's just two fat guys in suits clicking a joystick whenever they think a punch lands, it's highly subjective, inaccurate, and reductive. There's no science to it at all, it's the opposite of infallible. For instance, how the hell can a click of a joypad measure how hard a punch has landed, or how much it hurt the recipient? How can a click of a joypad determine who is dictating the pace of the fight, controlling the distance, forcing the other guy to fight his fight, etc etc etc? Boxing is about so, so, so much more than mere statistics. Compubox is a meaningless gimmick for the TV coverage. I think they should abolish it altogether, it's contrary to the art that is the sweet science.
     
  11. booradley

    booradley Mean People Kick Ass! Full Member

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    Compu box is just an operator pushing buttons, and sometimes the numbers are totally wacked.

    In addition, everything that is not a jab gets called a "power punch" which is ridiculous.

    Compu box is very biased agaist certain defensive styles. If you have a fighter who likes to roll with punches, and stay out at the end of them where they're not effective, compu box numbers never reflect reality. The other guy gets credit for a lot of meaningless punches.

    Compu box numbers are interesting, but they are far from perfect.
     
  12. booradley

    booradley Mean People Kick Ass! Full Member

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    This is another great point. It's fairly common to see close rounds where one guy throws a nice combination that wins him the round, and it has nothing to do with who threw the most punches. It has to do with the quality of what landed; effective agression.
     
  13. Wiesiek

    Wiesiek Well-Known Member Full Member

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    this :deal Compubox is bull**** for kids
     
  14. Relentless

    Relentless VIP Member banned

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    :deal
     
  15. nervousxtian

    nervousxtian Trolljegeren Full Member

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    CompuBox is a joke.. it's not a computer.. it's people pushing buttons.

    ..and sometimes the numbers are so far off it's not even funny.