Pacquiao and Mayweather are a league above the rest.

Idiot do you know why Mayweather isn't hit cleanly? It isn't luck. He isn't hit cleanly because he doesn't put himself in a position to! Fools like you think that it just means he "isn't tested". Pac is hit because he can't help but be hit.

As far as power? Meh... He beat up a skeleton, a bum, and a fighter who is most likely shot. When he went up against Josh Clottey? He didn't stop him AND he got his face all smashed up in a fight he dominated. WTF?

Man half of the sentences in your first paragraph don't even make sense so maybe you should take the classes.

 

I agree it is an opinion and your opinion is ignorant. No you obviously have no critical thinking skills. The dude lies constantly then went to fight in a state where the athletic commission saw "no need for testing"? Wow.

What the hell are you talking about his endurance is untested? You are a fool! He takes tons of guys the distance and doesn't gas out. Then again your stupid ass is probably using the word endurance wrong then blaming us for not knowing what your bobble brained ass means.

I only speak for myself. I might be older than you but your age is no excuse for your ignorance. Get it together young man.

 

True. I agree with you there.

IMHO, P-Will and Margo were never elite. They are just VERY interesting matchups that would pose any "legit" WW a serious problem due to physical attributes.

 

Well I still consider Pwill a destructive force, considering that his only loss was handled in a rematch in explosive fashion and a very good KO%.

Edit: didnt see the physical attributes part

 

Moron, instead discrediting Pacquiao's achievements you should make a better argument than that. Anyone can easily discredit Mayweather's achievement. The fool here is you. I'm not saying that Mayweather should take punches in the face. Just imagine how would Mayweather react when someone lands powerful punches on his body and face simultaneously. Pacquiao gambles when he fights. He wants to show everyone a good fight. He chooses to trade because he wants to entertain and he wants to KO his opponent. He encourages his opponents to trade with him. If you watched Pac-Clo Pacquiao was encouraging him to trade opening his defense(if you say/think that Pacquiao has no defense, then you're really are a moron), taking Clottey's punches. Pacquiao's foot work is great. If he wanted to out box, he can.

You really are a moron aren't you? I said Pacquiao stopped 4 out of his 5 opponents. Smashed up? You might wanna take a good look at Pacquiao's face. He has a small bruise on face. atsch That didn't make sense? Nah, you just can't understand anything that criticizes your hero. Trust me taking some comprehension courses is good for you someone LIKE YOU.

Here is Pacquiao's "smashed" face after his fight with Clottey. You gotta stop listening to Mayweather's "opinions" and use your own judgement.
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Old man. You shouldn't speak of critical thinking or ignorance, you can't even understand a simple argument without getting pissed off. Ok old man. This is the last time I'll explain it to you why I said his endurance(by endurance I meant his punching resistance that's why I said chin/body earlier on my other post) is untested. He barely gets hit cleanly(I'm not saying that he should get himself to get hit read my other post), second I didn't even say that he's stamina is small. I'm pretty sure he has good stamina; he is at the elite level and he pick his punches to makes sure that they land. There is nothing wrong with that.

There you have it. Again old man, if you can't understand it. Ignore it.

 

bump this on sunday!

 

Let me break it down for you. I said that Mayweather is a better fighter than Pac, and you responded by saying Pac has more power. This statement on its own is pretty much irrelevant as to whom is the better fighter. Power means **** if you don't have the tools to apply it effectively. There are a bunch of guys with more power than Mayweather who have just a fraction of the talent.

As far as you claiming Mayweather's stamina is untested, that's shows a lack of understanding of the sport. Guys who have untested stamina are young guys. They're basically prospects whose fights don't last very long, normally around 6 rounds. Mayweather is a 14 year pro who has had 40 fights, 15 of which have gone the distance. Not only have we never seen Mayweather fade, but he's often the fresher fighter down the stretch, and normally throws more punches at the end of the fight than at the beginning. So not only is his stamina tested, but he's passed the test with flying colors. You claiming his stamina is untested because of his punch output is silly. You don't have to throw a lot of punches to get tired. Clottey has a lower output and has faded several times down the stretch. Furthermore, there have been fights where Mayweather has thrown a high volume of punches and showed zero stamina issues.

 

I'm tired of explaining so just read what I said Mr. Bald head

 

This is like normal folk debating with ******s. Just unffffair as one ****** would put it.

 

I wasn't debating with Mr. Bald Head, I was debating with you. I'm not interested in that conversation.

 

Then that's too bad. All the explanations that you're looking for is up there. I told you I'm tired of explaining. You and that old man Mr. Bald Head is asking for the same explanation. I don't really care.

 

Fine then, continue with your misguided beliefs.

 

I agree with you to a certain extent. We do not know what the future holds for the likes of Bradley, Alexander, and Maidana and it would be unfair to judge them so quickly since they are barely making names of themselves. Actually no one knows what happens in the future, but it would be unfair to judge. You gotta remember alot of these "superfights" being made don't give the result one would want due to the timing where one fighter is still in his prime, peak, etc and hasn't fought high quality opposition or the opposition were big names, but not in their primes anymore or too small. You have to remember fighters like Mosley and Cotto fought the very best no matter how dangerous or whatever advantages they had to give to their opponents they gave up in order to fight. As much as I am a fan of Pacquiao and admire Floyd's skills, I can say Pacquiao and Floyd are in a level above perhaps today, but their was a time in Cotto's and Mosley's careers where they could of actually been the favorites and given both Pacquiao or Floyd losses. I think the Mosley that beat Delahoya and the Cotto the outboxed Mosley from different angles were just as good as any version of Pacquiao or Floyd that I have seen. So just because Cotto lost to Pacquiao and IF Mosley was to lose to Floyd that doesn't mean Pacquiao and Floyd were the better fighters. Just turn the table around and tell me how do you think Pacquiao would be doing in Cotto's situation where he had to weight drain and Floyd in Shane's as a 38-39 yr. old? Put them all in the same ring when they were at their best, I honestly would have a hard time picking who is the best between the 4. As for Williams and Martinez, there is a reason why they both are considered the most avoided fighters and I think Pac and Floyd want nothing to do with either for good reason.

 

Yes they are.

To say one is better than the other for an absolute fact is complete nonsense.